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Jayne4694 posted:
I suffer from severe back pain along with degenerative disk disease. I have had 2 different back surgeries 2 years apart. The disks were removed and ray cages were put in there place. Now I have another disk out of place which has been out of place for about 8 months. I can't have surgery as I don't have the time to take off and if I do take the time off then my insurance stops, so then I would have no insurance to pay for the surgery. What can I do to get this disk back into place. I can't walk more than 10-15 minutes and then I can't walk anymore. The pain is so bad. I sleep with a heating pad on my back.
Nothing is taking away the pain.

Please somebody help.
bj1208 responded:
Hi Jayne and welcome to the support group -

Question: if you take off work for the surgery - you should be eligible for either short or long term disability - make sure and see if your employer has this -

Speak with HR and see what your alternative are - they should let you know the full ins/out of your benefits -

Get a 2nd or 3rd opinion on your back - either from an Orthopedic Spine Specialist or Neurosurgeon Spine Specialist - Make sure that the pain is coming from this disc and is not just chronic pains from the other 2 surgeries - reason I state this is I had an Anterior Lumbar Fusion L5-S1 a little over 3 years ago - I too had a bulging disc and ddegenerative disc disease - the disc was removed and a plate, screws and cage were put in - I have fused 100% and healed but they could not do anything for the chronic lower back pains or the nerve damage in both legs - I now have 3 more bulging discs at L4, L3 and L2 - I have seen 3 Orthopedic Spine Specialists within the last 1 1/2 years and have been told the same by all 3 - NO SURGERY - as it will only add to my pains and not make it better.


1) What type of spine specialist are you seeing?

2) What type of tests were done? i.e., Discogram; Myelogram, MRI, CT Scan etc.,

3) Have you tried alternative treatments first? i.e., physical therapy; pain management; chiropractic care; aqua therapy (really good) etc

4) After the previous back surgeries, did you have any pains (besides post operative recovery pains).

A discogram will tell if the pains you are experiencing are coming from the DDD disc and the severity of it - normally this test is done to determine if surgery is needed and if so to what extent.

please give us a little more information and do please get a couple of opinions - it doesn't hurt to see what other spine specialists say -

take care - Joy
Jayne4694 replied to bj1208's response:
I'm seeing a Spine & Neurosurgeon. He is going to do Neck surgery on me April 21st. Excellent Dr..

Cat scan, MRI, Myelogram, Xray

I have not had physical therapy. No pain management yet, Don't believe in chiropractic care. What is Aqua Therapy pool exercises?

After my last 2 back surgeries I had NO pain at all. Some stiffness occasionally but no pain keeping me from doing anything except constant heavy heavy lifting.

What is DDD?

After this Dr. performs my Neck Surgery, I will hold off on any back surgery anyway. Then I would probably just go to my regular orthopedic Dr. that did the initual e-rays etc. and see what he would want to do. Maybe he can get me to do some physical therapy and usually with that I get a message so maybe that could pop the disk back into place.

Why I'm writing here now for it until things get to that point what can I do for the pain. I have tried heating pad, back pain medication, tylonal and some percoset. The percoset is the only thing that relaxes me enough to relax my back temporarily,.

But regardless at the moment I can't even walk more than 10 minutes from the house or I won't make it back due to severe, severe pain.

Any suggestions,.
replied to Jayne4694's response:
Sounds like you have a number of issues going on. 2 prior back surgeries, now another "disc out of place" in your low back and scheduled for neck surgery as well? Please understand that you CANNOT "pop a disc back into place". Discs are not loose machine parts, rather they are made of fibrocartilage. When a disc herniates, a piece of the disc sticks out from where it belongs, sometimes causing pain,te and sometimes it is PAINLESS. Think of it like the jelly coming out of a doughnut. No massage or manipulation can "pop" any of that material back into place.Physical therapy and medication as prescribed by your doctor are your best options for pain control.....unless you REALLY need surgery.
Jayne4694 replied to Ari_Ben_Yishay's response:
Thank you for writing. Just tonight I have heat on my neck, heat on my back and ice on my left knee. I had my 4th knee surgery Feb. 4th and it's just not healing. Pain is so bad, stabbing, constant aching and this is from being on it. My back pain is now going down my leg. My neck pain C5-6 6-7 hurts where the pain goes down my arm into my hand, gives me severe headaches and I can't move my head much.

All this is from a car accident in June 2010. I had chest pain, blacked out and was told I rolled the car 4 times. Took 20 minutes to get me out of the car to which I was upside down and unconscvious. I was airlifted to the nearest trauma center. I remained unconscious for 7 hours.

I'm still not healed as you can see, but was told if I don't return to work by 6/6/2011,I still have a job but everything else stops. I need my insurance.
Jayne4694 replied to bj1208's response:
Joy, I looked at my paycheck stub. They do take disability out of me every 2 weeks.

What do I do ask for a disability form?

bj1208 replied to Jayne4694's response:
hi Jayne - well I do have more questions for you:

1) Your car accident - was this because of someone else's' negligent? Meaning did someone else cause the car accident or was this a single car accident where you were the only car involved?

2) If this was caused by someone else, is the claim still open where you can submit the claims against their car insurance? Did you have any type of settlement? have you sought legal advise?

3) If this was a single car accident, your fault, have you checked with your car insurance company and see how the claims can be submitted? Most car insurance includes medical coverage.

4) Check also with your car insurance and see what type of benefits you have - these should include medical - but could also include disability.

5) Do you have proof that the upcoming surgeries (neck and back) are from the car wreck?

6) DDD - is short for Degenerative Disc Disease - this is a common 'disorder' that can show up in anyone -as young as 18yrs old or as we get older - THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU NEED SURGERY. Also, a bulging disc DOES NOT MEAN YOU NEED SURGERY -

Sorry for more questions but there are lots of holes in your story and need to know the entire picture before we can help you more-

As far as disability from work - you need to see someone in HR - find out what all your benefits are - your disability at work should either be short term or long term - more than likely will be short term.

BUT BEFORE doing all this - I would get a couple of different opinions from either an ORTHOPEDIC SPINE SPECIALIST OR NEUROSURGEON SPINE SPECIALIST as these are the best spine specialist and the only ones you should be seeing for your back/neck problems.

BEFORE HAVING SURGERY you should get opinions from either Spine Specialists listed above. They will review your CT Scans/MRI's, examine you and also let you know what treatment plans are available. Treatments should be done to determine if they will help or not - and most insurance coverages will require these to be done BEFORE approving surgery - SURGERY should be the last resort after all treatment options have been done.

you stated u are seeing a Spine & Neurosurgeon - what exactly are the doctor's titles? there is a big difference in doctors so that's why I'm asking - sometimes Neurosurgeon Spine Specialist will want to do surgery with a diagnoses of Degenerative Disc Disease and Bulging Discs - seems they want to do surgery way too many times without going thru the proper treatment plans first.

I would suggest putting surgery on hold until you get all your ducks in a row and find out more i.e., more opinions, what are options, what are benefits at work, is all this related to car accident, can it be proven, is this covered under car insurance policy

please check more into this and let us know what you find out - the more you do the more we can help you.

take care - Joy
Jayne4694 replied to bj1208's response:
Joy my insurance case has been closed I would assume. It was a one car accident. I was driving to work and had a chest pain and blacked out and rolled the car 4 times. Ended up upside down for 20min. unconscious and pinned. I was airlifted to the nearest trauma center. I was unconscious for around 7 hours. I have been experiencing chest pain for 4 years but nothing has been done about it. Even though Heart disease runs in the family. The hospital told my husband after 3hours of him waiting that all I had was a severe concussion and still unconscious. That was 6/25/10.

I was out of it and sore for quite awhile and after 2 weeks I went back to work. I worked in severe pain and didn't know why I had pain when they said I had nothing wrong from the accident. I made my own appt. and an MRI was taken of my neck and back and that is when they found the disks out. Why they did not see this from the cat scan the day of the accident I don't know. So all my injuries started coming up after the fact. By November I could no longer work due to being in so much pain. I went to many Dr.s, had many tests done. The neurologist told me that my concussion from the accident, what I had then was what was called a post concussion and I was having cluster headaches very severe giving me stabbing pains in my eye. He wrote on my chart and told me that I actually have what they call Traumatic Brain injury from the accident.

My Dr. doing the surgery is a Spine-surgeon. I trust him fully.


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