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    Statins really do save your life: New study ends pill safety fears
    iride6606 posted:
    More than eight million people in the UK take statins daily and experts say that if five million more took them heart attacks and stroke would be cut by 10,000 a year, saving 2,000 lives.

    Brits seem to be on both sides.......................
    bobby75703 responded:
    Poppycock. There is no way on the planet to prove these drugs have saved one person's life.

    When something sounds too good to be true, it generally is. Let the buyer beware.
    iride6606 replied to bobby75703's response:
    Fiddlefaddle. The effectiveness in statins at preventing heart attacks can be proven using the likelihood ratio tests. These offer accepted results in the scientific communities.

    In case you don't know these, here it is;

    The likelihood ratio test is aimed at testing a simple null hypothesis against a simple alternative hypothesis.

    The likelihood ratio test is based on the likelihood ratio r as the test statistic:where X is the observed data (sample), is the conditional probability of X provided the hypothesis H is true, H0 is the null hypothesis, H1 is the alternative hypothesis.

    This is a little beyond stats 101, it involves Wilk's theorem but I would be happy to step you through it. This is part of the science of "proving things".

    Again, thought not limited by one's beliefs, looking deeper into the science.
    bobby75703 replied to iride6606's response:
    You can flash all the fancy mathematical calculations you want.
    Still we have zero absolute proof that statins have ever saved anyone's life.

    iride6606 replied to bobby75703's response:
    Pish posh,

    Actually, they are not all that fancy if you understand them and I would be happy to help you through these so you can understand the world of science through statistics too.

    They predict an accurate outcome yet some people will still hide behind the demand for absolute knowledge especially if they are ruled by their beliefs and not the big picture. In short, some people will refuse to learn which is OK, headlines can be a happy place as well. It's just easier for some people.

    Like it or not, that's how things get proven, some will never accept the science behind the headline and will only believe the headline itself. Too bad, their loss.
    bobby75703 replied to iride6606's response:
    Its not possible to prove that a statin drug saved anybody's life. To do so, you would have to prove the patient would have otherwise died had they not been taking the statin. And that's just not possible.

    Suddenly the light dawns.
    iride6606 replied to bobby75703's response:

    Some people just don't see, it's about reducing the risk. The science backs up the proven risk reduction. Some people will say that cholesterol never killed a soul, but can't prove that either. It's all about the odds.

    One way or the other..............

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