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An_229021 posted:
I was just reading through some of the other boards. I could not stand it that everyone has the same opinion. Lets check in our brain and just be politically correct.

My favorite quote that people say is that morals have no place in the law. MMMM excuse me but I thought Laws were about deciding what is right and wrong.
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3point14 responded:
Legislation is about what's deciding what's right and wrong, when you're enforcing laws what you're enforcing is what's alerady on the books, not what you think should be.

Just FYI!
 
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An_229022 replied to 3point14's response:
You lost me. Legislation is about deciding what is wrong. The law they came up with is what they decided is right. So the law itself is about right and wrong. I think that is what the op was talking about.
 
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3point14 replied to An_229022's response:
Right, but let's say that there was no law against murder. Does that mean it isn't wrong? No, it means that legislation has not yet been passed to determine the legality of that action.

If a law is passed that says that eating spinach is illegal, it doesn't mean that it's "wrong", it means that it is against the law to do so.

Laws are created by right and wrong, but also by special interests and trends of the time. Think about Prohibition. One can argue that drinking alcohol is still wrong, but it is no longer illegal. There is no longer a legal ramification against drinking a glass of beer. That does not mean that, to some, it is not still morally wrong.

Law can only enforce what is already on the books, not just what one person/people find to be "wrong". If that were the case, judges would have no precedent by which to set rulings, and cops would have no guidelines by which to arrest people.
 
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An_229023 replied to 3point14's response:
This is turning out to be a good discussion. Thanks. We have to agree that laws are what our society has decided is wrong and right whether we agree with them or not.

I am in agreement with you that just because a country makes a law does not make that law right or wrong.

Now does right and wrong come from my own personal interpretation? Is right/wrong or truth exist outside of my personal belief? Does what I believe change truth at all?

This is too heavy for a monday.
 
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3point14 replied to An_229023's response:
I'm curious how you would justify then, in other countries, the stoning of women for being outside publicly? I'd say (based on my personal interpretation of right and wrong) that that's pretty damn wrong, but according to their law, it's completely right and moral. I don't see how legality changes the moral relativity of an act.

And I agree though, big talk considering what a Blah Monday it's turning out to be!

I'm a big believer in personal truth. I don't think there is an absolute truth or an absolute right or wrong, because there are always situations in which that interpretation can change. I think belief is mostly based on perception, which is why I advocate more than morality, being open. I think it's important to have a wide basis for judgement and analysis, because that can get closer to a personal absolute truth.
 
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An_229024 replied to 3point14's response:
I believe the example you gave is obviously wrong. The law that is. However according to your view if you thought it was morally correct then the law would be right. I believe there has to be a right or a truth outside of the human existence or what a person or society believes to be right can be dangerous.
 
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An_229025 replied to An_229024's response:
I wanted to add some more. What person believes is right or wrong can change with age and experience. Does truth has to sought outside of ourselves?

A society comes together and decides what they beleive to be what is right and wrong and makes laws to inforce that believe. At least the ruling power makes that decision.

Fun talk.


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