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Is depression curable or treatable?
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jazz1910 posted:
Drug companies and doctors are very careful to say that depression is treatable. That is once you get it, it never goes away and only the symptoms can be treated. This would mean that people need treatment their whole life. But they also say that antidepressants can correct the chemical imbalance that causes depression and the longer you stay on them the less chance of a relapse. That means it is curable. So which is it? Is it curable or just treatable? What proof do they have of either position?
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kathycornflakes responded:
wow- what a great question. I wonder this myself sometimes. I don't know- not a Dr. But I think that it is mostly manageable/treatable. Maybe for someone who has incident specific depression (ie. death of a loved one, job loss, crisis, etc.) it might go away completely. For me, I have been depressed since childhood. I really do not believe that anything will "cure" me. Rather, I will always have to keep an eye on how I am doing and seek help when needed. : (
 
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jazz1910 replied to kathycornflakes's response:
I think you are right. I think people who get off of antidepressants and think they are cured had an incident specific depression and now it has passed or they are just suffering from a placebo effect. I wish doctors could be more logical especially psychiatrists and psychologists. I have also had it my whole life and i am sick of trying to treat it with a bunch of garbage that causes as many problems as it solves. I am sick of life in general and repulsed by doctors who just pretend to help people. Doctors suffer from the placebo effect much more than their patients.
 
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momsmonstr replied to jazz1910's response:
I am starting to agree, is there anything that can really make life feel like life again. I am trying so hard to undestand what exactly this "disease" is but I have no answers other then more pills and exercise. I am woundering if anything is really ever going to cure the helplessness that we feel.
 
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lostPaul responded:
I've alway felt depressed people come from depressed families, perhaps not genetic, but learned behavior to accept blame, thrive on guilt and expect the worse. Meds can change you levels of transmitors so they work better, but the content of the signals won't change unless you change the way you think. This is what a therapist told me. Paul
 
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ann_7_ replied to kathycornflakes's response:
I suffer from Epilepsy take lots of meds for seizures, an seen my Mother all my life have spouts of depression only too young to know what it was. As I grew I would see her cry an be upset almost all the time?.My father was a kind loving man so I knew he was not the problem ,HE ADORED HER...Now Ive fought this all my life now 51 yrs,an finally realized I NEED TREATMENT for this when I sit an reflect I am doing exactly what I seen ?Was it a learned behavoir or a gene which was passed on to me from birth ?I thought I could be strong an never act like that an overcome it an now along with menopause wow what a lethal combination....
 
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ann_7_ replied to lostPaul's response:
I too believe this an if one desires to improve they have to change there pattern of lifestyle an find new interest to keep there mind flowing in a more positive way along with the medicine it may take awhile to find the correct type that is right for each individual.Same as with my seizure medicine took a long time to get it right, but finally it has improved !!!
 
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jazz1910 replied to lostPaul's response:
No one in the entire world wants to be depressed and everyone who is tries there hardest not to be. So it is completely illogical to think someone's thoughts cause this. You negative thoughts are caused from a biological malfunction. Whether it is genetic or caused from a brain injury or something else no one is sure. But if you google split twin studies for depression you will see that several studies show a very high correlation between twins separated at birth. If you google brain injury and depression you will find that probably 90% of people who have had a concussion or worse end up depressed their whole life. 70% of homeless people have had a brain injury. So psychologists pretend that changing your thoughts will cure your depression but they pass right over the fact that no one creates depressive thoughts voluntarily. The thoughts happen automatically and spontaneously without any volitional act by anyone. You then spend a gazillion dollars with these charlatans trying to change your thoughts that you never created in the first place. It's just a money making scam by a bunch of idiots and sociopaths that desperately depressed people fall for and think if they just stay in therapy for a long time they will cure themselves. But there is no evidence that anyone with severe depression is cured hence they need treatment there whole life.
 
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linrae55 replied to jazz1910's response:
Even if you "think" happy or "act" happy the depression is just waiting under the surface to strike when you least expect it. Sometimes it can so overwhelm you that you feel like you are drowning. I have had depression for many years and it has just gotten steadily worse and the medication steadily stronger. I have seen a counselor but that was no help. I would like to see someone else but living in a small midwest town the cost is prohibitive to say the least. Even medications are becoming so expensive as insurances are cutting back on what they will cover. I understand why suicide becomes an option for some. The disease becomes such a burden it is hard to cope.
 
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An_203846 responded:
I was diagnosed with depression 20 years ago, and anyone who thinks depressed people want to be this way, or learn ways to stay depressed is just plain WRONG.
After being on and off meds for the issue, I am of the opinion that it goes into relapse for a while and then returns, at least in my case. Each is different based on the individuals personal issues and chemical imbalance.
Depression can be treated, but I do not believe it can ever be cured, at least with the current meds available. They help the problems to some extent. But, on the flip side, they can cause people to behave in ways they normally would not, which is equally unhealthy.
Being educated on mental health issues is vital for the patient, as well as doing research on medications. None are the glowing panacea they are advertised as; look at the side effects. Plus, the majority of testing is done for a short term period and long term use delves into uncharted territory.
Thanks, I will stick with a supplement and only the occasional use of the lowest dose of an old tricyclic for the shortest period of time possible.
SSRI's basically made *brain soup* for me. Most unpleasant, and the depression remained. I have just learned how to live with it, and function around it.
 
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screwyCO responded:
As a life-long member of the club, and having watched family members die with this disease, I don't believe depression is curable. Neither do any of the doctors or counselors I've seen, and I can count them by the tens. Treating chemical imbalances in the brain, especially initially, is a crapshoot. If you can find an antidepressant that your own brain chemistry responds positively to, consider yourself lucky. I don't mean to be completely pessimistic here, but, having been on dozens of drugs, SSRIs and MOIs, before finding a combination that helped me, I want to let people know that it's not a perfect science. When you are prescribed a drug that doesn't work, the ramifications can be terrible. If your symptoms get suddenly worse, or you have weird side effects, stop taking the pills immediately, don't even wait to hear back from the doctor.

I've been diagnosed with PTSD and Clinical Depression for over ten years, and for most of that time I was fortunate enough to have health insurance. Now I am without it, and getting the medication I need is a constant battle. But I know that without my meds I'm lost, not a productive member of society, to say the least. The times I've been without the meds, including a horrible stretch last month, seem to support the theory that depression is life-long, and being on drugs for a certain length of time does not in itself "cure" the disease. Once the neural receptors have been changed (via trauma, genetic code, drugs, etc) they don't just snap back to something resembling "normal"; no one knows how or why they change as they do, and not enough research has been done. I hope this has been somewhat helpful; I don't mean to be a cheerleader for Merck and Pfizer, but I couldn't survive without their overpriced products. Give them a try, but be vigilant in noticing how and what they do to you.
 
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An_203847 responded:
Since I have suffered from depression my whole life (I'm now 66) with periods of relief, I would have to say that as of now it is not curable, only treatable. At least this is how it is for me. My doctors have tried every antidepressant there is and they only do so much. I have had a whole lot of talk therapy over the years and it has only done so much. It seems it is a mood thing that comes and goes at will. I am so tired of it. I'm at one of my low points right now and I do think life decisions and other factors do enter into it, but I personally believe it is a brain chemistry problem that drugs can only do so much for. And talk therapy can only do so much. I feel pretty defeated right now; I'm tired of it. But it's the only life I have so I just get by on the bad days and cherish the good ones.
 
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vionemc replied to An_203846's response:
hello everybody, just like all of you, I'm suffering for depression too. I've been depressed for about 5 years. It's totally hurt you and feel like endless, but I learn a lot how to treat human's emotional health with it.


From every evidence that I've seen, yes, curable depression we seen till now is depression caused by several traumatic event. most of the endless depression patient have problems in his family and have a long period of stress moment rather then a one shot traumatic event. even though it's hard to deal with, I do still have optimism on curing it.

from my experience, facing depression and stressful life of a broken home child, there are several treatment that could help us. if we want to fully healed, do not rely on medicine, try psychotherapy. there's so many psychotherapy, but you need a good one to recover. EFT(emotional freedom technique) is the best one I've seen this far. It will be best if you combine it with hypnotherapy and past life regression(ex. regression to your childhood). for another alternative, try EMDR.

WARNING: don't you ever for whole of your life trying to go to psychologist that only give you simple counseling, hypnotherapy, NLP, CBT without combination with other psychotherapy.

I hope my advice help you. I know we can face these depression!! we have to trust it!!
 
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susiemargaret replied to linrae55's response:
hello, everyone --

several people in this thread have mentioned the prohibitive cost of getting counseling or seeing a psychiatrist. here re some resources for getting free/low-cost medical care, including therapy. don't try to tackle all of these at once; check out a few, see what they say, then check out a few more. with any of them, you may have to go thru the primary-care level at first but then be referred to a counselor or a psychiatrist.

-- check out these websites -- http://www.coverageforall.org/finder/index.php , http://www.freeclinics.us/freeclinic.php , http://www.needymeds.org/free_clinics.taf , http://www.findahealthcenter.hrsa.gov , http://www.freemedicalcamps.com/index.php , http://www.pparx.org/en/prescription_assistance_programs/free_clinic_finder , http://community.catholiccharitiesusa.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=292&srcid=288 , http://www.211.org , and http://www.copays.org ;

-- check out this website -- http://www.patientadvocate.org/report.php , be sure to click on both national and state organizations;



-- check out the website for the "live united" campaign of the united way -- http://www.liveunited.org -- and use the "search our site" box at the right in the second blue ribbon to do a "search" for your city or state to find medical care programs in your area;

-- call your city, county, or state dept of health and dept of family services (or something that sounds equivalent), and ask if there are free or low-cost clinics in your area;

-- go to the website for your state government, e.g., http:// www.your_state.gov , and click on every social services link you can find;

-- look for free or low-cost clinics at nearby medical schools, divinity schools, large hospitals, and university graduate programs in nursing, social work, or psychology; often students who are close to graduation provide health care under the close supervision of their instructors;

-- see if any hospitals near you have a social worker; often they have very extensive knowledge of their own and other hospital and community resources;

-- call the legal aid office to see if they know of programs for free or low-cost medical care;

-- check with churches, synagogues, and mosques to see if they have someone who does counseling; with many of these, you do not have to be a member, their only concern is that you are a person in need; and

-- check out these websites to determine your eligibility for various govt assistance programs -- https://www.benefitscheckup.org/index.cfm?partner_id=0 , http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_home&_nfls=false , and http://www.eldercare.gov/Eldercare.NET/Public/Home.aspx .

in a subsequent post I will list some resources for finding free/low-cost meds. a very few of these are duplicates of the previous list, but not many.

-- susie margaret
what good is gold, or silver too, if your heart's not good and true -- hank williams, sr.
 
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susiemargaret replied to linrae55's response:
hello again, everyone --

here is a list of resources for finding free/low-cost meds. as with the previous list, don't try to tackle all of them at once; check out a few, se what they say, then check out a few more.

-- ask your prescribing dr or your family dr for samples;

-- ask a pharmacist if s/he knows of local/state/national programs for getting free/low-cost meds;

-- ask a pharmacist if any of the meds you are taking have generic equivalents, which are much less expensive than brand-name ones; many discount stores (target, wal-mart, etc.) and grocery store pharmacies dispense generic meds at $4/month;

-- look at the labels on your current meds, get the manufacturer's name for each, then apply to each manufacturer's patient assistance program;

-- check out the listings from these websites -- http://www.pparx.org/prescription_assistance_programs , http://www.needymeds.org/indices/pap.shtml , http://www.rxoutreach.com , http://www.gskforyou.com/10_programs.htm , http://www.211.org , and http://www.copays.org ;

-- check out the website for the national conference of state legislatures, which lists prescription assistance programs by state (subsidy programs, table 1, and discount programs, table 2, each can be reached by a link within the text); the page with the listings requires a little maneuvering but is well worth the effort -- http://www.ncsl.org/IssuesResearch/Health/StatePharmaceuticalAssistanceProgramsNCSL200/tabid/14334/Default.aspx#Discount ;

-- call your city, county, or state dept of health and dept of family services (or something that sounds equivalent), and ask if there are state or local programs for prescription assistance;

-- go to the website for your state government, e.g., http://www.your_state.gov , and click on every social services link you can find;

-- ask around at food banks, shelters, united way and other charitable organizations, the YMCA/YWCA, and similar places about local programs thru churches, fraternal organizations, etc.; and

-- check out these websites to determine your eligibility for various govt assistance programs -- https://www.benefitscheckup.org/index.cfm?partner_id=0 , http://www.govbenefits.gov/govbenefits_en.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=gbcc_page_home&_nfls=false , and http://www.eldercare.gov/Eldercare.NET/Public/Home.aspx .

i hope this helps.

-- susie margaret
what good is gold, or silver too, if your heart's not good and true -- hank williams, sr.


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