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Red Meat causes CVD, Cancer, premature death and environmental probs
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engineerguy posted:
Hi folks,

A large long term study found a dose-effect relationship between red meat consumption and premature death. Processed beef (cold cuts, etc) were much worse.

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives/green-living-red-meat-consider-your-health-and-the-environments-as-well.html

Best regards, EngineerGuy
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heretk responded:
Did you miss their other result, namely substitution with "fish, poultry, nuts, legumes, low-fat dairy, and whole grains" resulted in 7-19% lower mortality? How well does that mesh with your vegan beliefs?

Quote from the abstract :

...the pooled hazard ratio (HR) (95% CI) of total mortality for a 1-serving-per-day increase was 1.13 (1.07-1.20) for unprocessed red meat and 1.20 (1.15-1.24) for processed red meat. The corresponding HRs (95% CIs) were 1.18 (1.13-1.23) and 1.21 (1.13-1.31) for CVD mortality and 1.10 (1.06-1.14) and 1.16 (1.09-1.23) for cancer mortality. We estimated that substitutions of 1 serving per day of other foods (including fish, poultry, nuts, legumes, low-fat dairy, and whole grains) for 1 serving per day of red meat were associated with a 7% to 19% lower mortality risk.

Please notice how marginal are those results, 13% relative increase is very small indeed. More solid are the results dealing with processed red meat (worse but no surprise here).

1) http://barrygroves.blogspot.ca/2012/03/study-finds-red-meat-may-not-be-edible.html

2) Red Meat in China Study , the "Grand Prix" achievement of Dr. T.C Campbell (*)

Page 117, adult mortality ALL CAUSES AGE 35-69, correlation coefficient (minus sign means less disease, less mortality). Some quotes:

- 30 D052 FISH


- 29 D048 EGGS

- 29 D005 %FATKCAL

- 27 D049 MEAT


- 25 D050 REDMEAT

-24 D034 ANIMPROT

30 D009 %CARBKCAL

31 Q158 dWHEAT

31 D028 PLNTFOOD


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*) "..The 'Grand Prix'...the most comprehensive large study ever undertaken of the relationship between diet and the risk of developing disease....tantalizing findings" The New York Times

(sorry couldn't resists)
 
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DoloresTeresa replied to heretk's response:
Unfortunately, although about a hundred years ago I studied math through differential equations, I never had even one course in statistics. At one point I opened my daughter's statistics text and think I fell asleep at about page two. Maybe I should try it again.

Having said that, looking at your numbers and remembering the saying that there are three kinds of lies---lies, damn lies, and statistics--I would have to ask, how did the plant eaters die? Getting run over by dump trucks, caught in avalanches, plane crashes?

Damn. You know stuff I don't know. Now I am going to have to take some courses in statistics. And I can barely stay awake through re runs of Gilligan's Island. I am getting too old for this.

Dolores
 
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DoloresTeresa replied to heretk's response:
Does anyone have links to the original studies which show that when I eat spinach I am walking into the valley of death? Also a clue to the horrible effects of pasta which no decent Italian family would eschew?

Dolores


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