Skip to content

    Announcements

    Exciting News for WebMD Members!

    We've been busy behind the scenes building new message boards for you. You'll have new and easier ways to find messages, connect with others, and share your stories.

    And, this will all be available on your smartphone or other mobile device!

    What Do You Need to Do?

    The message board you're used to will be closing in the coming weeks. While many of your boards will be making the move to our new home, your posts will not. Want to keep a discussion going? Save posts you want to continue (this includes your member profile story), so that you can re-post them in the new message boards.

    Keep an eye here and on your email inbox, we'll be back in touch soon to give you all the information you need!


    Yours in health,
    WebMD Message Boards Management

    cardiologist
     
    avatar
    jc3737 responded:
    Results

    of Experimental Research on Atherosclerosis
    and Hypertension
    1.

    They showed that adding small amounts of cholesterol
    and fat to diets of chickens induces atherosclerosis despite
    little or no nse in serum cholesterol levels.
    2. The group compiled evidence that both exogenous
    and endogenous estrogens protect chickens against coronary
    atherosclerosis usually resulting from cholesterol
    feeding and that estrogens reverse cholesterol-induced
    plaques despite continued cholesterol feeding.
    3. Finally, they demonstrated that salt depletion of renal
    hypertensive dogs induces falls in blood pressure

    to normal
    levels.
    Epidemiologic
     
    avatar
    heretk replied to jc3737's response:
    He was most likely wrong on most counts. Let me quote:


    Re: I . Relationship of serum cholesterol, systolic and dias-
    tolic blood pressure, and cardiovascular risks are continu-
    ous, graded, curvilinear, independent, and etiologically sig-
    nificant. The optimal serum cholesterol level is <180
    mgldl. Optimal blood pressure is < 120/80 mmHg.

    My comment: this is coincidental not causual. All the above factor, in many if not cases result from one common cause - abuse of refined carbohydrates! Excessive carbohydrates lead to metabolic syndrome, hyperinsulinemia, arteriosclerosis, diabetes, heart disease, high cholesterol and hypertension.

    2 . Cigarette use is strongly related to coronary and car-
    diovascular risks, as well as cancer risks, independent of
    other risk factors.

    Yes, especially if combined with a high carbohydrate low fat diet. A high fat low carb diet seems to be protective against damage caused by smoking.

    3. Clinical diabetes is strongly related to coronary and
    cardiovascular risks in men and women, both black and
    white.

    Yes

    ... Dietary lipid, particularly cholesterol, is signifi-
    cantly related to cardiovascular and all-cause mortality, in-
    dependent of other risk factors.

    Not true. New studies (for example, various European studies, most notably Malmo study) invalidated that hypothesis. In some the corfelation was found to be reverse - the more dietary fat the less heart disease. So is the so-called "French Paradox", "Spanish Paradox", "Greek Paradox" etc.

    Re: ..Hypertension is the strongest risk factor for strokes.

    Coincidental. Hypertension is related to high refined carbohydrate high sugar high caloric diet and metabolic syndrome and those are the true primary risk factors. Kwasniewski was treating hypertension by a low carb high fat diet. On Kwasniewski's Optimal Diet, hypertensive blood pressure drops almost immediately, within 24 hours. I know you told me (JC) that it didn't work for you but I suspect you may have done something wrong like eating too much protein or salt, for instance, rather than being a medical exception.

    Re: 5. The Coronary Drug Project showed the ability to
    achieve long-term secondary prevention of coronary heart
    disease by lowering serum lipids with high-dose nico-
    tinic acid.

    Small reduction. Nicotinic acid (Niacin) activates ketone bodies receptors and also increases HDL. Ketone bodies ... ketogenic diet ... high fat diet....

    High fat diet also increases HDL and produces ketone bodies.
     
    avatar
    jc3737 replied to heretk's response:
    "within 24 hours. I know you told me (JC) that it didn't work for you but I suspect you may have done something wrong like eating too much protein or salt, for instance, rather than being a medical exception."

    I may have had too much protein but i'm sure I did not get too much sodium.My numbers got worse on the diet and the only positive was that of great enjoyment.I had tons of meat(pork chops mostly)and eggs cooked in tons of butter.
     
    avatar
    heretk replied to jc3737's response:
    Did you maintain the correct proportions for OD specified by Kwasniewski, namely, for every 1kg of your ideal body weight:
    1g protein ( /-15%)
    1.5 to 3g of fat (approx)
    0.5 to 1g of carbohydrates
    ?
     
    avatar
    jc3737 replied to heretk's response:
    I probably did not...I just cut carbs to under 50g,added tons of fat,butter,yogurt, sour cream at every meal,eggs,pork chops,salmon...low carb veges like greens.
     
    avatar
    engineerguy replied to jc3737's response:
    Hi jc,

    Nifty link on Stamler. Impressive results. Thanks.

    Hi Heretic,

    Great to see you around. Great theories.

    Best regards, EngineerGuy


    Spotlight: Member Stories

    Let's see.... I'm the mom of six (three hers, three mine) who used to live in Florida but now lives in the Chicago area. (Don't ask.) I&#...More

    Helpful Tips

    Zeal for Life
    I couldn't find my old post so I'm not sure what happened to it. I have back problems, panic issues and anxiety disorder since childhood. ... More
    Was this Helpful?
    5 of 5 found this helpful

    Report Problems With Your Medications to the FDA

    FDAYou are encouraged to report negative side effects of prescription drugs to the FDA. Visit the FDA MedWatch website or call 1-800-FDA-1088.