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Weston A. Price Foundation and vegan fury
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Heretk posted:
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Rejection of WAPF people, by vegans is the most bizzare aspect of their cult-like behavior. Rejection of WAPF people as people rather than discussing or addressing specific issues.

WAPF people do not and did not impose anything on anyone, only pointing out specific data and telling all who listen about what works and what doesn't. Their statutory goal is simply research and publicise healthy nutritional practices regardless of any particular food preferences. WAPF has always been supporting vegetable and plant based nutrition as healthy IN ADDITION TO AND NOT EXCLUDING a healthy animal based produce!

However, unlike idealistic vegan, WAPF gave us specific guidelines based on the scientific knowledge and experience. The knowledge about which food is best, for what reason and how best to prepare it.

They are strong proponents of lacto-fermentation of vegetables (and of yeast fermentation of grains) based on traditional native cultures' experience from all over the world.

Ever wondered why do so many raw food vegans find time and time again that health worsens rather than improves? Read WAPF articles to find out! By rejecting WAPF knowledge, vegans are rejecting thousands of years of good food processing practices that may neutralise many of the phytotoxins (=plant poissons) and turn some plants that are often mildly harmful when consumed raw (e.g. cabbage, corn, wheat, potatoes) into valuable and healthy food. Turns out, their recommendations makes a perfect sense in the light of the most recent understanding of human biochemistry!

You reject WAPF ideas at your peril!

Heretic
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dtms1 responded:
Fuhrman (and not only Fuhrman) says that in some vegetables nutrients are released by cooking. One theory, which I read in a magazine article on evolution, says that the human brain took a huge leap in development when people started cooking food which made more starches available for consumption, the brain of course using lots of glucose-- except for H's brain which apparently thrives on fat.

Dolores
 
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Heretk replied to dtms1's response:
Hi Dolores,

Re: One theory, which I read in a magazine article on evolution, says that the human brain took a huge leap in development when people started cooking food which made more starches available for consumption,...

That sounds like McDougall's theory, doesn't it? :)

No, as far as I know the biggest brain size increase (it doubled!) took place between Homo Habilis (about 2My ago) and Homo Erectus (1.8My ago until almost present day). An invention of cooking took place during Homo Erectus period about 0.5-1My ago when brain size did not change by much during that period. Therefore McDougall's speculation about the role of starch in prehistory is most likely wrong.

No, glucose is also wrong. Brain during development requires a lot of omega-3 fatty acids that aren't present in any plant produce (EPA and DHA) plus lots of cholesterol. If such substances aren't present in pregnant mother's diet (i.e. vegans) it will lead to anomalies and an incresed risk for both. Well documented. McDougall's starch isn't going to help at all and would most likely hurt.

Adult human brain (at least mine :) ) does also work better on ketone bodies then on glucose although it does use glucose as well, in addition to k.b. Why do you think ketogenic diet works so well for epileptics? No surprise here, it also shows that it is not all only in Heretic's head... :)

H.

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Refs:

http://www.brainchannels.com/evolution/prehistory.html

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ancient_History/Human_Evolution/Paleolithic_Age
 
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dtms1 replied to Heretk's response:
H, actually those diets only work for some epileptic children, are only used as a last resort and have horrendous side effects--one of which is stunted growth. I have read of lots of others.

Dr. Mirkin has an audio in which he and his wife talk about the theory of one anthropologist who speculates that our species was cooking food about a million and a half years before the time you gave in your post. This guy claims that otherwise, me could not have developed the brains and bodies we have now. He says that the 0.5 million year date is too recent.

He also says that cooking enabled us to eat BOTH plenty of meat and plenty of plant foods that would otherwise not have given us enough calories.

He claims that we do not have the teeth and digestive system to enable us to eat plenty of raw meat nor do we have the teeth and digestive system to enable us to get enough calories from seeds, tubers etc. We are unique specifically because we evolved as a species which cooks its food. Very interesting audio presentation.

I can't even imagine the effects on the fetus of a woman who is in a state of ketosis during her entire pregnancy. Do you know of anyone who has done that experiment on her unborn child?

Dolores
 
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Heretk replied to dtms1's response:
It helps in more than half the cases. Once study I remember stated 3 out of 5. Not every type of brain damage with epileptic symtoms can be treated by a diet, or treated - period. It is the diet of the last resort if you try using Dr. Kwinter's synthetically contrived concontion of margarines, vegetable oils etc. On the other hand a study found also that Atkins diet does work too for epileptic children, so there you have that "Last Resort": :)

H.
 
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nycjudy responded:
Did something in particular fuel this rant?
 
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nycjudy replied to dtms1's response:
I learned (in Physical Anthropology 101/102) that big increases in brain size occurred in Australopithecus at the same time that one starts to find huge piles of broken animal bones in close proximity to their living sites.

One reason to break bones (even today) is to get assess to all that nice, nutritious, lipid-rich bone marrow. It bears noting that the brain is lipid-rich also.
 
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Heretk replied to nycjudy's response:
Re: Did something in particular fuel this rant?

Yes, this post describing Dr. TC Campbell's response to a criticism of his book "The China Study":

http://forums.webmd.com/3/diet-debate/forum/67
 
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jc3737 replied to Heretk's response:
I take credit.....there's nothing like a good rant...and a counter-rant.
 
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nycjudy replied to jc3737's response:
True. Rants and counter-rants can be very informative!
 
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nycjudy replied to Heretk's response:
Personally, I could never get past the business of pooling the blood samples. Not many people commented on that . . . and it just somehow seems like terrible methodology to me. (I believe I would feel the same way about a study that supported my ideas, but I won't claim to be completely objective.)
 
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nycjudy replied to nycjudy's response:
BTW, I used to post under the name auntjudy, but then had terrible trouble logging in after the board was revamped (a previous revamp; not the more recent one). I tried making new accounts but still would not be able to log in. Life was busy on other fronts, too, so I gave up. I heard you had similar problems, heretic. Glad to see you back. jc, I still popped in now and then to read studies you post. Many thanks! So, I have been able to log in a couple of times now over a couple of weeks . . . so it looks like it might be a go!!!
 
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jc3737 replied to nycjudy's response:
Welcome back....I did know know that was you auntjudy.Its been a while....great to see you back!
 
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Heretk replied to nycjudy's response:
Hi Auntjudy,

Welcome back! A you see we have somehow found ourselves being closer to the mainstream :( without actually changing our positions too much. Not attracting as much criticism as I used to. I always wanted to thank you for supporting my posts in our past battles. I enjoyed it a lot! :)

Best regards,
Stan (Heretic)
 
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Heretk replied to Heretk's response:
This is a video of Dr. Weston A. Price from 1936!

http://www.youtube.com/v/R6p-SxECxUc&rel=0&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US


(found this on Michael Miles' blog , thanks)


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