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WonderWhy30 posted:
I need a solution

I have had chronic yeast infections for eight years (brief interludes after I ceased ?the pill? birth control following 12 months of use and was pregnant 2 xs). However, to compound the problem for the past almost two years, I have had a combination yeast infection and bacterial infection. This has been confirmed every other month with lab results done by my doctor. I have taken virtually every prescription yeast medication in existence (or combination thereof). The initiation of the bacterial infection corresponds to the date two months after the birth of my youngest child and the insertion of a Merena IUD (which was removed after 12 months). I am currently on a weekly Diflucan regiment that has gone on for almost six months. I am currently asymptomatic for yeast with an active bacterial infection. I tried vinegar douches for the first time ever for the first six months of this year, but my doctor and I decided that was not working and we shared a concerns it may be aggravating my bacterial infection. I weigh 115 lbs 5'5" eat a very healthy low sugar diet, exercise (change wet clothing), 30 yrs old, married , monogamous, wear only cotton, wash with Cetaphil, urinate and wash before and after sex, etc. (the normal common causes/preventions). I have tried garlic, yogurt, vinegar douches, and a host of prescription drugs, and diet management. I have done the full panel of STD, aids, and diabetes tests. My husband and I are currently using a condom for sex (have done so religiously for past six months) with no noticeable improvement in my condition (he no longer gets an infection from me though which makes his life easier). My husband washes carefully too. Prescription medication is the best symptom relief of all. I have always been under a doctor's supervision for the treatment (not the same doctor I have now). The bacterial infection (as evidenced by the lab results) is normally a combination of two bacteria and is rarely the same two. I have told my doctor that I refuse to take anymore oral antibiotics because I have taken more in the last six months than in the whole of my life thus far. I hurt. Suggestions. I?m willing to go to extremes.
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popcorn1145 responded:
Hello there. This is my first time on WebMD and I'm looking for my own set of answers. But I have had a very similar experience to yours. I had 9 yeast infections my first 1 1/2 years of marriage and then have gotten yeast/bacterial infections on and off since then. I've had similar lack of lasting relief with various doctors. Then my sister in law turned me onto something called ThreeLac. It is a supplement that breaks down the build up of intestinal yeast (which leads to A LOT of various symptoms). She started using it for her diagnosis of Sjorgerns (sp?) - a disorder that causes a lot of joint and soft tissue pain similar to Lupus or Fibro, and she got complete relief from her pain. When I looked up the website (stopyeast.com) the symptom list first impressed me. It is my thought that the build up in yeast in our systems impacts the pH levels - specifically for us in our vaginal area. This in turn throws the "normal" flora out of wack making it a lot easier to get yeast/bacterial infections. Also 1 tip that a doctor told me did help quite a lot. Following sex or menstration I will often use a product called repHresh (I buy it at Walmart). Since I started using this product the incidences of yeast/bacterial infections have markedly decreased for me. Even more so once I started taking ThreeLac. Good luck and I hope you can find help off the antibiotics!
 
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WonderWhy30 responded:
Thanks for the suggestions. I tried repHresh for six months at a doctor's suggestion didn't help. I've taken the ThreeLac ingredient compound list to my doctor and we'll review that together. I've tried all the diet combinations in the past and they didn't have any noticeable affect on my symptoms. In priniciple I really do belief in the connection of diet to health, but I really do eat very healthy (my mother is a health nutritionist) and have done so all my life. Anyone else with good ideas?

-Cheers
 
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Slisalisa responded:
I went through a similar cycle when I was in my early 20's, constantly getting yeast and bacterial infections. A dr. gave me a course of nizoral (oral) for 1 week, and that knocked out the yeast infection problem at the time for a good year. Soon after, I had my first child and have had a yeast infection once in a while and a bacterial infection once in a while. As of May/June 08' I seem to be going though a time where I am constantly getting combo infections, more specifically after sex about 4 days later I begin to feel the irritation and slight stinging and I am uncomfortable. We have tried with and without condoms, doesn't matter. I am constantly being treated -taking 3 diflucans every other day, then the 1 day vag. cream for the "normal over growth of bacteria". the meds work, but I do not look forward to sex because I know I will now get an infection. My husband, is getting annoyed because we can't have sex very often because of it. When I finally feel better, I end up getting my period and the same cycle keeps repeating itself. I have been eating the dan active yogurt, once a day hoping that will help, but I think I am getting another infection. I just want to cry from it. What is the answer????? The dr. just feels you go through periods like this, but I can't stand it anymore. I have been taking a supplement with flora and stuff for a year. What do I do? What if the rephresh, (I will try to find it) does''t work? Thanks out there.
 
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ttcin08 responded:
OMG!! I found my message board!!! I'm so glad that I'm not the only one dealing with recurrent yeast infections and not diabetic. I'm 26 and trying desperately to conceive (married a year and a half, on our 7th month TTC). I've had two YI's in the last 3 months (one in June and another as we speak) and I've darn near rubbed myself to death (sorry, TMI). I've become very good friends with the generic Diflucan and have also had a bacterial infection within the last year and a half. I'm absorbing all of your replies and advice for OTC treatments. It seems like the Vagisil creams and wipes only make the itching worse and I'm just looking for something to comfort that symptom right now. Thanks for everyone's suggestions above and I know I'm going to use these ASAP.
 
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WonderWhy30 responded:
Ladies: I have found my solution. My new doctor is the greatest!! Since August I have had no other prescription drugs, no infections, no symptoms and lots of sex. The exact thing we are all seeking. This treatment is specifically (see Cornell research) for individuals who have chronic yeast infections and/or combination bacterial infections and have NOT responded well to prescription mediations.

Boric Acid (Prescription dosage suppositories) The routine is daily for two weeks (twice a day) boric acid suppositories and thereafter twice a week (single dose) until your period and starting again a week after your period. The boric acid changes the ph of the vagina. This is amazing!!! You can even have sex while using it (after the first two weeks), no messy creams, AWESOME!

I will try to copy the exact formulary when I pick up my prescription this week but my doctor had the pharmacist slightly change the formula so that there is no "water" discharge which is the old complaint with boric acid suppositories. My pharmacist is the nicest guy, so I'm sure he'd give you the formula over the phone www.medicap.com/8397.aspx.

(I was skeptical of the boric acid recommendation from my doctor because I tried it for one day - two suppositories a couple of years ago and it just made lots of water leak from my vagina) - After careful and cynical discussion with my doctor and pharmacist, they came up with a new formulary that eliminates the water problem)

Read up on the newer studies at Cornell University (some excerpts pasted below). I know some people my laugh at three months of relief and I'm jumping up and down, but they haven't traveled this long painful process with me. I recommend you try this; first thing that has worked for more than a single month for me. Best of luck!

Cornell University study of 100 women with chronic yeast vaginitis who had failed to respond to various over-the-counter or prescription anti-fungal medicines, 98% successfully treated their infections with boric acid suppositories over a period of 2-4 weeks.

boric acid is ?clearly the treatment of choice.? [Antifungal agents vs. boric acid for treating chronic mycotic vulvovaginitis. J Reprod Med 1977;36: pp.593-7>
 
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WonderWhy30 responded:
I've been getting some good information from my new doctor. What we are all generally describing is "RVVC" the following is a host of research studies along with the studied prescription treatments and testing. Boric acid is the preferred treatment when Diflucan treatments have failed (and all other traditional prescription treatments). I am working with my doctor and a research group to confirm the use of Boric acid during pregnancy and the conception phase. It is normally advised that women avoid the use of boric acid during pregnancy and conception. This is as a result of much older finding related to a diaper rash ointment. (Boric acid was once used as an active ingredient in some diaper rash ointments; it was later discovered that the infants' contact and possible ingestion of the boric acid was poisoning them and in some rare cases death occurred). More recent research on the long term side-effects of boric acid as a vaginal suppositories have shown almost no negative side effects (with the exception of a rare individual who developed a skin irritant rash). Its effects on a fetus during gestation have not be sufficiently researched, so communicate closely with your doctor. I'll try to update when I have more research studies available.

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www.medscape.com/viewarticle/408305_4

www.aafp.org/afp/20010215/697.html (specific research discussion of boric acid and its efficacy at the very end of article; lots of good information)
 
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kayafrancis responded:
Can anyone give me any info on the possible effects of boric acid suppositories used during the time of conception?
 
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needthe411 responded:
Hello!

Have you possibly tried hydrogen peroxide to increase the pH? That could possibly help--it helps me to feel better.
 
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wbquestion replied to WonderWhy30's response:
Hi! I came across your post and was hoping you could help me find the formulary for the boric acid that doesn't leak so much? I have chronic yeast infections, and i make my own capsules. I've found the kind I use-- and even the capsules prescribed for me-- to be very leaky and also somewhat irritating. I'd love your 'recipe' or a contact person if you have one! I tried the link you included, but it didn't work. Thanks!
 
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LaSha23 replied to WonderWhy30's response:
Do u have to have a prescription?
 
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LaSha23 replied to WonderWhy30's response:
Do i need a prescription


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