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    Welcome!! EngineerGuy Story
    EngineerGuy posted:
    Hi folks,

    I'm EngineerGuy. 62 yrs old. I started this exchange to be informative of the best ways to take control of your health, to reverse heart disease, diabetes, hypertension. Also reverse autoimmune disease, allergies. Also prevent cancer. That's a tall order.

    Dr. Ornish was the first to reverse atheroclerosis (hardening of the arteries) in humans. Since then, heart disease, diabetes, hypertension, have been routinely reversed by Dr. Ornish, Esselstyn, McDougall, Pritikin, and Dr. Fuhrman.

    I followed the Pritikin Diet for 30 years, the last 2 years strictly. I wanted to reverse my average atherosclerosis, based on my IMT test (carotid artery ultrasound). Most people are successful on the Pritikin diet. For extensive documentation in medical and nutritional journals, check The following data have the medical journal reference listed there.

    At the Pritikin Longevity Center, 40% of insulin dependent diabetics, leave the Pritikin center (after 2 or 3 weeks) insulin free, with better glucose control than when admitted. 70% of oral medication diabetics, get off medication. The Pritikin Center is run by board certified physicians.

    60% of hypertensives get off their medication.

    62% left pain and drug free, working to prevent angina.

    80% of persons attending to avoid bypass surgery, never get the surgery, in a 5 year followup. Ornish published the same 80% in a 3 year followup.

    Blood risk factors for Breast and Prostate cancer plummet, in just a few weeks.

    Contrary to the experience of most people on the Pritikin program, my IMT worsened. I have pictures of nice lipid inclusions (fat pockets) in the carotid artery wall.

    While attending the Pritikin Longevity Center, I learned of Dr. Fuhrman.

    I modified my program to follow Dr. Fuhrman, in June 2007. In the 2 1/2 years since, my IMT has cleared up. No more lipid inclusions.

    I am confident that Dr. Fuhrman has improved upon the already excellent Pritikin program. (,

    I wish to include Dr. Ornish (, Dr. McDougall (, Dr. Esselstyn ( and Pritikin as supporting programs. These 4 programs are basically identical and excellent. Browsing those websites, provides a great deal of support for the benefits of Dr. Fuhrman's similar but (in my opinion) improved program.

    The largest single improvement that Dr. Fuhrman has made, is the emphasis on maximizing nutrition per calorie. H = N / C Health equals Nutrition divided by calories. The foods with the greatest nutrients per calorie are vegetables (lets call them 100), followed by fruit and beans (at about 50), followed by nuts and seeds. Whole grains have fewer nutrients per calorie (at about 25). When I started the program, I was a bit incredulous that the extra nutrition was necessary. After living the program for 2 1/2 years, I am amazed. Instead of sharing the colds of those around me, I watch them suffer through their colds. I have no congestion in the morning. I recover from workouts more quickly. And, my IMT cleared up.

    My goal is simply to inform people that the Fuhrman program is an option. Please look into it. If you are then determined that you want to adopt this program for YOUR health, for YOUR benefit, to get off medications, recover vibrant health, then you can do it. It's very tough for the first month or two, because it requires adopting a new healthy lifestyle. After a while, it's quite easy, and gratifying.

    All are welcome to read, inquire, contribute, suggest, and post interesting information, observations. This is your exchange. Not certain you would want to make such a big change? I can offer my ideas, at least, as you share yours.

    Sorry to pack so much into one post. Some people actually write books about this stuff. ^_^

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    jc3737 responded:
    I found it.One thing that might be interesting to discuss are the differences between Pritikin,McDougall,Esselstyn,Ornish and Fuhrman.

    Maybe we should wait a few days until more people find these new sites.
    jc3737 responded:
    I found it.After more people find the new site it might be interesting to discuss the differences between McDougall,Ornish,Pritikin,Esselstyn,and Fuhrman.
    AttyWSW responded:
    E.G. I want to thank you for all the valuable information you've shared. I really benefit from it. I went on Dr. F for 4 months before Christmas & loved it. Lost weight, felt better. Then I went on vacation after Christmas and have been eating poorly ever since. I am now committed to going strictly vegan the first two months.
    As a result of my own experience I firmly believe in food addictions. More emphasis should be placed on this addiction and how important it is to break them cold turkey. Once you're over that hump it gets easier, your palate changes, etc.
    I look forward to more great information on this board.
    EngineerGuy replied to jc3737's response:
    Hi jc,

    Re: it might be interesting to discuss the differences between McDougall,Ornish,Pritikin,Esselstyn,and Fuhrman.

    Yes, that would be interesting. I tend to lump all but Fuhrman as identical. However, McDougall does not allow dairy products (I think). There are differences.

    When I look at the few disagreements between Fuhrman and the others, I always find Fuhrman's rationale much more persuasive than the others.

    For example, McDougall says you don't need any supplements on his diet, except B12 if you're vegan. I was deficient in vitamin D, even though I got an hour of sunlight daily at noon, wearing only shorts. Studies show that most people are deficient. Also, many people are drawn to adopt a diet like this because they have health issues. Such people may have issues associated with problem absorbing some nutrients, or increased requirement. These people may benefit from a multi-vitamin. The benefits of Omega-3 fish oil are great. Most older people do not convert vegetable based ALA to DHA adequately. I know that when I started taking fish oil, the little aches and pains of running 4 miles a day, went away.

    Good suggestion, jc. Dolores is excellent at that !! :-)

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    EngineerGuy replied to AttyWSW's response:
    Hi AttyWSW,

    Re: I want to thank you for all the valuable information you've shared. I really benefit from it.

    Thank you very much ! I appreciate it ! :-)

    Re: As a result of my own experience I firmly believe in food addictions. More emphasis should be placed on this addiction and how important it is to break them cold turkey.

    Same here. I visited family over Christmas. I gained about 4 pounds in 2 weeks, and a bit of a craving to eat the SAD. I was very happy to get back to my good healthy food. I agree very much about the addictive quality of food. The first month or two is very hard, requiring lots of will power. After that it gets easy. I get into trouble when I feel so healthy that I think I'm immune to health issues. We humans are not always logical (or hardly ever!) . :-)

    Great to see you !! :-)

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    rubystar2 replied to EngineerGuy's response:
    Hello!! I'm glad to have found you guys. Thanks for starting this exchange up, EG. You sure jumped on the 'new exchange' bandwagon quickly. I'm a little slower at it but glad to be here.
    liveit responded:
    Thanks,EngineerGuy for all your hard work.

    I have follow you for quite a while. I too have been doing Dr. Fuhrmans ETL program and love it.Been doing it now for two years and can say it really really works.

    I take no drugs.

    Weight was 290 now 185.
    My Hemoglobin A1C was 6.5 now 5.1
    Total Cholesterol was 238 now 159
    Hdl was around 70 now up to 80
    Ldl was around 150 now down to 62
    Triglycerides were around 140 now down to 80
    Blood pressure is much better, but still a little high 145/80

    This is all thanks to Dr. Fuhrmans Eat To Live plan.But I must say, I have talked to many many people, and not one person will even try it ( I don't get it ). Anyway I just thought I would pass this a long.


    PS: I exercise hard very day ( At lest two hours ) and eat a lot of nuts and seeds, way to many ( my weakness ) and a lot of soy milk in smoothies.
    xring responded:
    Hi, EG:

    Thanks for starting this exchange. This is my first post since the unwelcome (in my opinion) changes to WebMD. I had trouble finding this useful "exchange" & along with the other problems, I just had enough & gave up on it.

    I want you to know that because you mentioned Dr. Fuhrman 15 months ago & I started my lifestyle changes, I'm still off diabetes medication (& take no other medicaion) & now weigh 188 (from 220). I have also been asked to speak at my diabetes support groups.

    Dr. Fuhrman's publicist has asked me to submit my success story and before & after photos for his upcoming new books on diabetes and an updated "Eat to Live."

    Thanks again!!
    rubystar2 replied to xring's response:
    Congratulations, Xring. You are an inspiration to us all and I'm glad you found your way back.
    xring replied to liveit's response:
    Hi, Liveit,

    Quite dramatic improvements!! Congratulations!

    My A1c was my biggest surprise. In 1-8-09, it was 8.9%. Three months after starting "Eat to Live" it was 6.0%. I thought dramatic improvement would take much longer than 3 months. My doctor said "there is no reason to take any medication."
    EngineerGuy replied to xring's response:
    Hi Xring, RubyStar2 and Dave LiveIt,

    It is so great to see you great folks. This heartens me so much, to see that we are improving our health. I am so pleased to have been part of it. Thank you so much for your kind words.

    Welcome, Dave LiveIt. I am very happy to make your acquaintance. :-) What a surprise, that you have been with us for 2 years. Congratulations !

    Hi Xring! I think of you often. Your posts are fantastic. I agree completely about the new format. How do you make the little fiery devil ? :-)

    Hi RubyStar2, thanks very much. I was wondering how you are doing. Everything on the up & up?

    We need all of us together, to spread the word and support and thoughtful words of advice, for those who may stop into this exchange, looking for help. And we learn from each other, too.

    (I'm going to sign as anonymous, so my picture isn't on every post.)

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    An_192648 replied to liveit's response:
    Hi Dave,

    Re: This is all thanks to Dr. Fuhrmans Eat To Live plan. But I must say, I have talked to many many people, and not one person will even try it ( I don't get it ).

    Dave, you bring up an excellent point. I don't get it, either. You've lost 95 pounds, yet people are not lining up to follow you.

    I hope to become a Fuhrman health coach when I retire. I certainly want to "get it" before then.

    I live in Salt Lake City. I'm not Mormon, but I respect their faith and culture. They have done a beautiful job building Salt Lake City. There is a lot of analogy between our passion to spread the word about health, and missionaries. What is more important than eternal salvation? Yet missionaries know that most people they meet will have no interest in their message. It is so with us, attempting to spread the way to improving health, instead of declining health. Most people don't want to hear it, on any given day. But some do. If a person is meeting their health goals, they will not be interested. On the other hand, knowing about this program can spur someone to improve their health goals, too.

    I look at it that we do NOT recommend that anyone adopt the Fuhrman program. We do recommend that people look into the Fuhrman program, just for the information sake, to understand their options. No pressure, no guilt, no coercing. We wish to be informative. Besides, nobody could adopt the Fuhrman program just because we told them to do it. A person can only adopt the Fuhrman program if they realize that they WANT it, for THEIR health, for THEIR benefit, for THEIR happiness. Adopting Fuhrman in a strict way, is like boot camp. It's very tough, for a month or two. We are breaking food addictions, and learning to like new foods. We are also building metabolic strength, and liver and kidney and heart strength, etc. This takes a lot of time and energy, similar to an athlete training to build strength. Does an alcoholic feel great the first day he doesn't drink? Does a smoker feel great the first day he doesn't smoke? Did I feel great the first day I didn't eat sugar? Not really. But now I feel I can do everything but levitate.

    On the other hand, there is a couple on the Fuhrman website who both lost about 40 pounds on Fuhrman. He is a physician and she is a nurse(?). The local book store called them to ask how many copies of Eat To Live should they order, because they had already sold 100 copies, at the recommendation of this couple.

    Maybe we have to have a softer "sell". Maybe we have to spend 2 minutes briefly saying what this program is and how it is so healthful, and only continue if the person is interested. Unfortunately, some people have expressed interest only out of being polite. Then I have continued and continued, until the person runs away screaming and holding their ears. :-)

    On the other hand, after being careful to be informative and brief, at work, for 2 years, two separate people came to me in one week, and said they'd bought the book, and were reading it. It takes time, and people have to reach a point where they are not meeting their health goals, to be receptive. 2 others adopted a milder diet, and are have lost 10 and 20 pounds. Good for them! They are modifying the milder diet, to ensure they eat lots of veggies.

    I'd love to hear your ideas, too. :-)

    (I'm posting anonymously, so my photo isn't on every discussion.)

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    rubystar2 replied to An_192648's response:
    Some very good suggestions, there, EG, about how to approach people about Fuhrman without 'overdoing' it.
    xring replied to EngineerGuy's response:
    LOL, EG - "The Fiery Little Devil."

    One feature of this new format that I consider an improvement is that you can copy & paste icons from other sites which I couldn't do before. The Fiery Devil came from "" which is a firearms chat forum. To access the icons, you have to register first (like most forums.)

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