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lepman posted:
I have read about some ppl haveing joint pain and most seem to have it in thier hands and not just in the joints...If this is a symptom of MS is this a typical problem stemming from the back lesions or just spinal problems its self?
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hackwriter responded:
Lepman,

Multiple Sclerosis causes nerve pain, which can affect any part of the body. Hand pain can involve burning, stinging, tingling, spasms, and muscle pain, all caused by screwed up signals or by inflammation in areas of the cervical spine.

Joint pain has other causes; those of us who are over 40 will develop arthritis just like the average 40-plus-year-old. A number of MS patients also have Fibromyalgia, a connective tissue disease, and this can contribute to hand pain.

A very few MSers also develop Rheumatoid Athritis, which is also an autoimmune disorder and which attacks the joints.

I hope this sheds some light on some of the causes of MSers' hand pain and how MS itself can cause some types of hand discomfort.

Kim
 
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lepman replied to hackwriter's response:
Ok, check this out. I'm not one to go to the doc. for every little pain, but reacently I have been haveing really bad sharp stabbing pains in my shoulders and in my elbows . and it would only happen in the middle of the night. To get woken up out of a dead sleep with that kind of pain is very odd...So I went to my Primary doc who ordered X-rays of my shoulders.

She said she saw some miss alignment problems in my right shoulder rottater cuff. And ordered me to have physical theropy. I asked her then why do I have pain in both shoulders and only at night and no other time .I also told her that I have full range of motion and have no pain in doing full range of motion. or when lifting and carrieing things, and if what she found would also explain the pain in the elbows as well. I never got a straight answer from her about the elbow pain but was told to just go ahead and try the theropy.

The Physical theropist checked me out and was asking me alot of questions about my balance problems and my shakeing and slured speach. She conducted a resistance thing for my arms and shoulders and kept asking if I feel pain for each one,and there wasent. she then said all she could find is that I have a little reduced strength in my right arm and showed me an excersise to help with that.After that she told me that there would be no need to see her any further and that she is going to referr and recomend that I see a neurologist Immeadeatly to my primary doc.

She then asked me if my primary had done any of these resistance checkes on me and asked me how did she determine that I needed theropy. I told her that my primary didnt do any of the stuff she did and that she only based it on the X-rays she had ordered. and told me that I must be haveing pain all the time because of what she saw on my X-rays...I told her I don't have pain all the time and it only happens at night when I'm asleep. The physical theropist then said If your doc would have just taken the extra ten minutes to do the resistance chscks on me she would have seen that it is not a rotator cuff problem but a Neurological problem.

The physical theropist then asked me if anything had been mentioned to me about the possability of haveing M.S. I told her, no... nothing has ever been said that I have it, but I have been asked by others, Doctors and Nurses.. as to What stage of M.S. I was in...All I could tell them is ...I have never been diagnssed with anything yet and I asked them why thay asked if I had it...they always tell me that it sure looks like I do and display all the symptoms for it as well...The physical theropist then asked if they have done any testing for it and all I could tell her is that my Nuroligist never did and refused to because she felt that it wasen't a neurological problem.

Whats even worse now is I'm have leg pain, Muscles Knotting and cramping up and calfs too. numbness, burnning, pins and needels that feels like it's crawling up and down my leg, that is very difficult to deal with as well But so far I can tollerate it during the day but what really sucks is when it happens at night It keeps me from sleeping and the Ibruprofen and tylenal just dont seem to stop the pain anymore.I don't know if I should go to my primary doc for that for fear that she will just X-ray my legs and tell me that I need physical theropy again.

V.A. Treated......
 
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hackwriter replied to lepman's response:
lepman,

You SO need to find a neurologist who will do a full work-up to rule out MS. Can these other doctors and nurses who think you have MS help refer you to a neuro?

Sounds as though you might suffer from both muscle spasticity and nerve pain. Tylenol and ibuprofen won't touch those. If you go back to your primary doc, maybe ask about Baclofen and Zanaflex (muscle relaxers) and Neurontin (nerve pain med). These meds are very cheap and common and not only used by MS patients.

I hope you can find a way to see a new specialist. Please let us know what happens.

Kim
 
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lepman replied to hackwriter's response:
The Pain has gotten much worse last night and today. It feels as though someone is hitting my legs just above the knee joint with a ball peen hammer. Very difficult to stand or walk. I called my primary care doc this morning about it and her nurse answered and told me she was going to be out for the rest of the week and she asked another doc on staff about my sitation and he has prescribed me some muscle relaxers but nothing for the pain because of my alergic reactions to most pain meds.Man I sure hope they work. I don't know what it is that he prescribed but will let you know when I get them...Oh yah, they are mailing me the meds , So I wont get them till tomarrow. Why they are doing that I'll never know...I could sure use them right now.....



V.A. treated....
 
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davidmuresan replied to lepman's response:
Pain,
Is a result of a few health conditions. Pain is a nerve's suffering produced by: 1) nerve's damage, 2) pressure on nerves within an inflammation, 3) due to bacteria waists within an infected area, 4) due to some substances that create the pain sensation, and 5) exposure of nerves to cool temperatures. The most possible cause of your pain is the exposure of your legs to cool temperatures. I recommend to dress very warm you body included your legs. Take several layers. The best would be to use a plastic as 4the layer. Plastic will not allow the air to penetrate to skin and the leg will be warmer. Also plastic (any plastic bag) will absorb the moisture from skin and will be formed on the layer next to plastic. But the 3 layers under the plastic must be; cotton nest to leg, then synthetic, and 3rd cotton again. The cotton next to leg is dry and bacteria flora will not grow too much because bacteria have food and humidity but not moisture. The third cotton layer will collect all the humidity but bacteria will not grow because there is not food. We have to use this kind of dressing all over our body and day and time. Recently I cured the knee pain of my wife and now at 63 she is listening to me.
 
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Caprice_WebMD_Staff replied to davidmuresan's response:
Hi David,

Regarding heat and those with Multiple Sclerosis, please see this WebMD article (one of many articles out there about this topic):

The Impact of Temperature on Multiple Sclerosis

In it is included:

"Avoid extreme temperatures. Extreme temperatures may worsen your symptoms of multiple sclerosis"

I know you're trying to help but please be careful about advising something for a condition without providing the legitimate material to back up that advice. While what you're suggesting probably won't permanently harm anyone, it can certainly worsen their symptoms and potentially increase their pain levels.

Multiple Sclerosis is not like your wife's knee pain - though I'm glad she's feeling better in that regard - or any number of other pain conditions.
 
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mmthlvr replied to Caprice_WebMD_Staff's response:
Thanks from all of us here:)
 
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hackwriter replied to Caprice_WebMD_Staff's response:
Yes, thank you Caprice!
 
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davidmuresan replied to Caprice_WebMD_Staff's response:
Caprice_WebMD_Staff
You said
"Avoid extreme temperatures. Extreme temperatures may worsen your symptoms of multiple sclerosis"
You are right. Extreme temperature are dangerous for body. 110 F, for example are deadly because a protein used as brain food is denatured and cannot be used by brain. I do not advocate extreme heat.
To increase the body temperature, in order to cure diseases, we have the following concept." Body temperature is a measure of the heat produced in the body minus the heat lost to the environment."
From this major concept we have 3 ways to cure diseases or to increase the body temperature. 1) better foods, 2) Exercise and activity. And 3) Preserve the heat inside our body by insulating our body. This one is my idea and unfortunately is not used in medical field. I spent 20 years to come to the body insulation I used now. It is not easy to imagine and must be used under permanent supervision. One reason is that plastic material, which is essential for a major temperature elevation, is dangerous. Children may be suffocated. If used on skin may damage the skin in an hour. If used above one layer only may damage the skin in 5 hours. Plastic must be used above 3 layers, which must be cotton, synthetic, and cotton again. That can last about 8 hours.
This way of insulation of our body may increase naturally the temperature to 103 F. When I remove my cloths I measured 103 F under my arm. I never feel to be hot, just wonderful.
The pain has the same cause no matter where it is in our body and no matter in which illness is included. And the cure of pain must be the same.
David


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