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herniated disc L5/S1 age 21
dustintaylor posted:
about a year ago i started to feel a little bit of back pain but im a weight lifter and i didnt really think anything of it i went to the chiropractor 3 times a week for probably 3 or 4 months and they said it could be a herniated disc but they werent sure, i continued to lift and work.. ( i work at a parts warehouse so i bend and twist and lift with a lot of different types a car parts) the pain just gradually started to get worse and worse and worse over time and it got to the point where my right leg would feel kind of numb so i went to the doctor and got xrays and eventually an MRI and it showed a herniated disc ( im not sure how big) in my L5/S1, the neurologist seemed to be pretty concerned but the specialist said i was good to go on with my daily activities just lift properly and see what a physical therapist says and didnt seem very concerned so i lived with it for awhile and i went to a pt that didnt know very much and pretty much just do back extensions so i did that and it releived some pain for a little bit but it came right back so i took my weeks vacation to try to heal up and it seemed to help but the monday i went back to work it came right back to where it was. i eventually had to take a short term disability for 9 weeks. for the first month i was out i went to a new PT that knew what he was talking about 3 times a week and stopped doing that cause i seen zero results. i talked to the specialist and he suggested i get an epidural shot so i did and it seem to help alot but 3 weeks later i still had back pain and burning/numbness so he suggested a second so i got the second one with a pain level of 2ish and i was really uncomfortable due to the burning/numbness on 9/14/12 so eight days ago. my pain level is about a 5/5.5 now with really bad burning down my leg and love handle. i was wonder if anybody knows what i can do next. im trying to avoid surgery since im only 21 and i was really active before it happened and im still in ok shape just nothing like what i was. i just want to get back to the gym to do something..................through out the day my back feels like it is really compressed so if i get to something waist height and put my arms on it and let my legs hang for a second it pops and it feels good for a little bit but it goes right back to where it was and i can do the same thing probably 15 mins after each time i do it. can anybody tell me if that is bad or if i should do that. Im just tired of dealing with this and i want my old life back but i cant do anything active without irritating it... thank you for your time
David Maine, MD responded:
Thank you for your post. It sounds like this has become very difficult to deal with. There are some medication options (neuromodulators) that can provide relief for some of the "nerve" related complaints. NSAIDS can also be helpful and you should discuss these options with your doctor. Given the severity of your symptoms and the non-operative modalities employed thus far a surgical opinion would be reasonable. At the very least this can give you the full scope of treatment options available and allow you to make a better decision going forward. Best of luck.
ctbeth replied to OneofThoseWomen's response:
Of course, it is important to use YOUR ID number when shopping at the medical miracle site called, Drink Life In.

I searched Moringa and it seems to be an anti-oxidant.

This is quoted from a Pub Med article:

"The acetone extract depicted high percentage inhibition against DPPH, ABTS and nitric oxide radicals which were comparable with reference standard antioxidant vitamin C..."

Neuro-genic pain is not related to oxidation activity. Neither are most pain-related diseases caused by and oxidation/ reduction response.

The anti-oxidant property is comparable to that of Vitamin C.

So, pour yourself a glass of orange juice and save yourself a ton of money and the humiliation of having spend your money on yet another quack "cure".

Have you ever noticed that people who have never before shown up on this community spring up seemingly out of nowhere?

Have any of our MDs put us, " on a circuit of 6 different narcotics to control my (writer's) pain". Hmm, a little fishy, Cynthia.

They have a story about how a product, which coincidently, they sell, along with a link to buy it from them.

Writer is also manipulating data: The NIH does NOT say that Moringa helps over 300 diseases.

Do a google search and read the facts before believing someone who has never posted before and show up telling us her miracle story and offers to sell us some.

Of course, people who come to a pain site are ripe for the picking for fake- drug company's miracle cures. We are in pain, have usually tried many treatments and still are in pain. We'll try anything, and that is why these snake oil champions pre on us.

Has anyone's MD mentioned the efficacy of discontinuing narcotic pain management and taking Vitamin C instead?


Caveat Emptor

Caveat emptor!
ctbeth replied to OneofThoseWomen's response:
furthermore, as you were on a "circuit" of six narcotics, are you saying that, within three days of taking this product you were out of pain?

How were you able to detox off of six narcotics in less-than three days to feel out of pain, completely, after having been taking multi-opiate therapy?

Since you "herniated the disk", why would you not opt for a simple discectomy surgery rather than live with pain that is an impossible 18 on a scale of 10?

Personal trainer? With an 18 on a 0-10 scale, you wouldn't even be able to get out of bed and / or speak to a trainer, let alone be willing or able to discontinue six opiate medicines that, even with, your pain was still an 18 on e 0-10 scale.

You are selling false hopes AND you are lying!

We may be desperate for pain relief, but this is not a group of fools.

Everything that you have written is flawed and un-truthful.

Please go back to from whence you came, and good luck being a "Drink For Life" representative.

To the rest of the members, please think critically:

Could this be true?

Wht MD would give a person a 6-narcotic "circuit" for a herniated disc?

Could a person abruptly stop taking six opiate meds and within three days, by taking an anti-oxidant, be pain free?

If it wasn't against the rules to curse, I'd have plenty more to say to you.

There is a special place in hell for people who rip off the suffering with lies and by peddling false hope.
ctbeth replied to ctbeth's response:
Have a peek at the miracle company that Cynthia was acquainted to while she was on six narcotics, experiencing pain that was an eighteen on a zero-to-ten scale, and was introduced to a product by her personal trainer. This product enabled her to abruptly discontinue all of her medications and, within three days, become pain free. Oh, and you can also, "own your own business in the health and wellness industry, which is the next trillion-dollar economic sector".

Don't miss the "drive a Mercedes Benz" part, haha. Looks as if you barked up the wrong tree, Cynthia.

Did your Zija "coach" give you the tip to prey on pain management web communities? Looks as if Cynthia won't be driving that Mercedes any time soon.

"Would you like to own your own business? Spend more time with family and friends? Stay healthy and active? Have more time to pursue your hobbies? Travel the world? Put yourself or your kids through college? Lose weight? Have more energy?

Drive a Mercedes Benz?

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Anon_57995 replied to David Maine, MD's response:
Zija is a ScamPosted in the Campbellsville Forum

606 comments, MLM Pyramid scam

see link below:
twmurphy replied to David Maine, MD's response:
Hello David:

Both my wife & I have been patients of yours at Mercy Hospital (including this year for me). I have had L5 S1 fusion/titanium bar implantation with Charles Edwards 2008, with your intervention in March of this year for bulging disc issues now right above the surgery site. I have been doing P.T for 4-5 weeks now (core work).

David, do you know of a multi faceted, team that provides both medical (pharmacology), behavioral services (clin psych, clin soc wk, mental health), and adjunctive/complementary services (yoga, acupuncture, etc) as a private practice or hosp/outpt delivery program in MD?

Tom Murphy

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