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    MMJ patients are denied pain treatment
    scotty1976 posted:
    A month ago I went to a new pain doctor after my last one retired. I was drug tested and found positive for marijuana. Well, I am a medical marijuana patient, certified by the state of Arizona. I was told he would not treat me due to me being a marijuana patient, and he would reconsider if I agreed to stop using the marijuana. So, he gave me a two weeks worth of medicine (Percocet 10/325) (60 count) and told me to find another pain doctor. I then called my PCP to get another referral. The referral was set out three weeks later. Knowing I would run out of medicine, I asked my PCP if she would prescribe me some medicine until I could be seen from a pain doctor. I was again denied. So, I have been seriously rationing the meds I do have to try and have some resemblance of pain relief. It has been almost 3 weeks now with 5mg doses twice a day. I had an L5-S1 fusion which failed, requiring a revision to an anterior fusion, and update of the posterior hardware, and bone harvest (pelvis). I have had literally hundreds of every injection you can think of with limited relief or no relief. I have had a neurostimulator implant and removal of the device due to it's non ability to diffuse my pain. I have had 6 knee surgeries as a result of two complete dislocations in which my lower leg was forced to a 90 degree angle sideways. I have had 3 ankle surgeries due to a deformity at birth. And a myriad of other problems (thanks for partying when pregnant with me mom...). I feel for all of the similar horror stories I have read on here and on other forums.

    I am a graduate student in human factors engineering in aerospace/aeronautics
    meaningfulc1952 responded:
    Hi scotty1976,

    Wow, you have had a lot of procedures done and now you do not have a dr. that will prescribe you the pain meds to take by mouth. I do not know what to tell you except have you tried seeing a pain mgt. dr. that would help you?

    With your degree in aerospace and more it sounds as though you are a very intelligent person. I hope that you can find a
    pain mgt. dr. to help you with your pain.

    I have had 6 major jaw replacement surgeries with prosthesis in my face on both sides. I also have migraines and neck pain and more things that cause me pain.

    I have a wonderful pain mgt. dr. and I would not trade her for another pain mgt. dr. ever. She is so kind and caring and most of all she is extremely intelligent and certainly knows what pain is all about. She has been my pain mgt. dr. now for about 2 years. Prior to that I had another dr. that was difficult and not very helpful to say the least.

    Maybe if you could stop using the marijuana it would be easier to get your pain medications. I just don't have any
    more ideas than that one.

    Good Luck
    blessedladyptl responded:
    You may or may not be able to find a pain dr who will treat you as long as you use Marijuana. You may have to decide which helps your pain more, marijuana or the pain meds. Just because you use marijuana legally under state law, doesn't mean it is legal under federal law. And federal law is what governs the use of pain meds.
    scotty1976 replied to meaningfulc1952's response:
    Thank you, and the best of luck to you also. I had a good dr for years, but he left his practice, and my insurance doesn't cover his new practice. I have actually been a MMJ patient since 2010, and had had no problems till now. I have an appt scheduled to see a surgeon for an Intrathecal pump. So we'll see what happens.
    scotty1976 replied to blessedladyptl's response:
    I do totally understand, but I've had my card since 2010 without any problems from my pain doc I had. But he left his practice a couple months ago. The ACLU and DOJ are investigating my matter though. It has a lot to do with principle, and basic rights. The majority if the country is cool with MMJ and the govt even recently agreed to stop prosecuting patients on a federal level.
    An_255813 replied to scotty1976's response:
    It does not matter Pot is still illegal. No doc is going to risk his license over it so you lose.
    hb1961 replied to scotty1976's response:
    Scotty...I'm sorry for your suffering and for your inability to find long term relief. The use of MM perplexes me as I have never even tried marijuana. However, I HAVE suffered to the point that I've considered it.

    I attempted enrollment in Pain Management back in 2005, but I stopped within a year. They were throwing injections and high powered meds at me left and right. I could not function, so I went cold turkey.

    Fast forward January 2014. I am enrolled again with local pain specialist through our hospital. My- - -How things have changed in 8 years. I no longer have EXCELLENT health insurance with prescription coverage, so my options are limited. I can neither believe nor AFFORD the astronomical costs of the extended release meds. My doctor is moody, and complains of his own pain (be it dental or headache). He lacks any patience or compassion. He tells me "There are now drugs available that could change your life, yet they are too expensive for you to afford!" What the HEY has happened here? When did meds become $400 - $1000 per month? How do people afford them?

    I wish you luck and progress with sorting all of this out. It just makes no sense that you were prescribed MM, yet you cannot seek treatment through a legitimate PM specialists. I don't know the laws, nor do I care to. I simply want some relief from a lifetime of pain, knowing there's something that isn't financially within my reach...and wondering when did the world fall off it's axis?
    scotty1976 replied to hb1961's response:
    I wish u the best of luck in being pain free. I'm not quite sure where everyone went wrong, but it sure does seem like many have become cold-hearted. We will never advance as a species if we continue to neglect people in need.
    An_255813 replied to scotty1976's response:
    until pot is legal period. Very few doctors are going to take patients that use it. It takes time to build a trusting relationship with any doctor. Pain specialist are more than skeptical when dealing with new patients. Day in Day out addicts come in trying to scam. Your best bet is to find a doc in private practice who is willing to overlook it. The pain clinic I go to would love to overlook pot use, medical pot is legal here at the state level. However it is illegal at the federal level and that is where the licenses come. As long as it is illegal at the federal level all your lawsuits are just money down the drain.

    If the pot is so helpful why do you need the narcotics for? Have you actually tried these other methods? Sorry but you do send up red flags so to speak.
    annette030 replied to An_255813's response:
    There will also have to be research done on the combination of opiates and pot to make sure it is okay to use them together. The way things are now it is next to impossible to do any research at all on pot.

    Take care, Annette
    blessedladyptl replied to scotty1976's response:
    The ACLU & DOJ can investigate all they want to. Although I seriously doubt that they are actually investigating this. You may have made a complaint or requested them investigate, but that is not the same thing as receiving a letter and it stating in writting that it is being investigated. You must also remember that the DOJ is federal and they go by federal law. Under federal law, marijuana is illegal.

    The ACLU may look into it, but I doubt it. And there is nothing anyone can do to make a dr prescribe you pain meds if you're also using marijuana. But, if you making a complaint gets out to other drs, you won't be able to find a dr who will treat you with pain meds, with or without marijuana.

    annette, people don't understand about the research. They think people saying they used marijuana and were taking pain meds is the same things as research and will be given weight. You and I know that is not how research works.

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