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    DEA Publishes Proposal to Reschedule Hydrocodone
    ctbeth posted:
    Dear Friends, et al,

    I just received this email from the DEA mailing list.

    It's a good idea to thoroughly read the text before flipping out and/ or posting petitions.

    I may be the gadfly, but this doesn't disturb me at all.

    The objective is diversion control, not "punishment" of us with chronic pain.

    Peace out.
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    annette030 responded:
    Hi, Beth

    I read about this already, so don't worry about me acting hastily. I agree with you, so far anyhow.

    Hugs, Annette
    rosielou responded:
    Hi Beth and Annette,

    Can you please give me a summary of how this will affect my prescription? I tried to read it but can't really follow legal write ups any longer. If this is the predicted "extra trips to the doctor and pharmacy" I'm okay with that.

    Thanks. Rose
    ctbeth replied to rosielou's response:
    Hello Rosie Lou,

    How this will effect your prescription is dependent upon what it is that you're prescribed.

    One opiate med, generic is hydrocodone: brand name Vicodin and Lortab

    If you are prescribed meds with hydrocodone, this one agent is being reclassified as a Schedule III drug to a Schedule II med.

    You can just GOOGLE " Schedule III medications and Schedule II medications.

    Nice to "see" you again,

    ladysilver59 replied to ctbeth's response:
    In theory, it sounds good; if you are a compliant patient and follow the rules there shouldn't be an adverse impact on your life. I am such a patient, the amount of meds I was on were justified and not nearly as much as many with the same level of disease process.
    My pain doc worried about my future. He was adamant that I stand my ground on surgeries a neuro was pushing for. We dealt with alternative therapies and more traditional non-medicated as needed. Sooo, my medical plan decided not to renew the groups' contract, since they stood their ground and refused to let them dictate how to treat their patients. My doc left the group. For a hefty office fee, I could have been a cash patient, but I can't afford it.
    I was dropped into a world with a new pain doc that became a nightmare. His one treatment fits all approach, unethical medical protocol (decreased my meds by 80% overnight w/o a hint to me,) refusal to hear me out when I was having an adverse reaction to Fentanyl, and passive aggressive, overt lying made my life a living hell for 7 weeks.
    I finally cried uncle when I was in so much pain I had to call 911 (it had been 3 years since I paid the ER a "pain" visit, since my current meds were working for me.) It took almost two days to get the plan to authorize my usual meds, although reduced. I will run out by Saturday, since they don't do much. Turns out the objective is to get patients into such misery with withdrawals, then offer them hope by going to the newly approved government-paid, addiction treatment program. I live next door to a methadone clinic and know what that starts. I hate to say that there is a conspiracy afoot. But, self advocacy, and thank god I rode out the misery so I couldn't be labeled as drug-seeking.
    This is only the beginning and I see a horrible trend on the horizon ith newer and more potent deadly drugs being introduced to get around the proposed regs. It is a shame that all of us have to pay for the addicts consequences, but even worse, the health care professionals who flooded the market with the drugs to begin with.
    ctbeth replied to ladysilver59's response:
    How, do you think, that Hydrocodone's schedule from a 3 to a 2 have an effect on your situation?

    I have only a minute, or I'd write more.

    I hope that you'll reply and that I can participate in this discussion more later today.

    Hang in there,

    ctbeth replied to ctbeth's response:
    Please tell how you perceive this action as a "conspiracy".

    What is the conspiracy and how does changing hydro from a 3 to a 2 contributory to this conspiracy?

    Ok, really gtg,


    ladysilver59 replied to ctbeth's response:
    Thx for your inquiry. I just got back on the net after an adventure into the void, via how to not satisfy my curiosity. This action was a surprise to me and I may have jumped the gun. This headache I've had for weeks is getting to me!
    ladysilver59 replied to ctbeth's response:
    Hello Beth,
    At this time, the DEA proposal for hydrocodone does not effect me...maybe. The target of the schedule change is the drug Zohydro. Without going into detail, I can probably ascertain that this drug is not in the same league as norco 10/25. However, this proposal is lumping them all into one big bag of bad drugs that require the strict regs as a schedule II drug.
    In the beginning hydrocodone was a schedule II drug, but got shuffled back to a III when the more potent products became under scrutiny. I have a broad education on the use of drugs and misuse/abuse. I was trained in a field of study by a former DEA agent.
    There is always going to be a drug that is abused more than others, but in the DEA proposal hydrocodone was listed 6th in the offenders list. The preemptive strike is aimed at the control of a new drug not yet "problematic" for it's intended patient demographics.
    The government has actually been involved in contracting with a drug company to produce more of suboxone=like products, so that they can herd the majority of chronic pain patients into the clutches of treatment centers. Yup, thus labeling legit pain sufferers as "addicts" and stigmatizing them for life.
    As supporting evidence for my theory, the AMA has recently petitioned the DOJ in my state, to shore up the lax medical privacy laws pertaining to prescription drugs.
    blessedladyptl replied to ladysilver59's response:
    This has nothing to do with Zohydro ER. Zohydro ER will be a Schedule II when it hits the market soon. This has to do only with Hydrocodone Combination Medications. Medes like Norco, Lortab, Hycodan, etc.
    ctbeth replied to ladysilver59's response:
    The objective is to reduce the amount of opiate Rx that gets diverted to abusers. This is the objective of most of the regulations and laws regarding the Controlled Substance Act.

    As far as I'm concerned, these DEA conspiracy theory designed for putative action toward persons living with chronic pain, are incorrect and make chronic pain sufferers appear ignorant.

    The concern is with addicts and abusers for many reasons, of which we are all well aware.

    If anyone really wants to present his or her conspiracy theory, it is your right to do so.

    Do remember that there is a vast chasm between fact and opinion.

    Last, if anyone is considering yet another petition, please document your sources of information, and be clear on what is factual.

    We have had petitions posted here in that people were ranting on about the "new laws".

    When called upon to explain just which "new law" was that the author of the petition was in opposition, her, the author's response was to attack the persons!who asked.

    In the situation above mentioned, there was not, in fact, any new laws.

    Take heed, with speaking or writing about conspiracies, one may make him/ herself look not-so-emotionally stable at worst, and un-knowledgeable of the way this sort of thing works.
    rosielou replied to ctbeth's response:
    Hi Beth,

    Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, that was helpful. I have a good idea of the difference between II and III now.

    This really can't be a surprise given the current problems, real or imagined, of hydrocodone.

    I have good relationships with my docs and work to maintain them, that's part of what we have to do these days. I had some emergency dental last fall and had some extra Norco prescribed, I sent an email to my prescribing doc letting her know what was going on. Easy enough. She came back w questions and then updated the chart.

    So thanks for "seeing" me, I read a lot but don't post often. I learn much more here than I will ever be able to comment and appreciate everyone's patience with my questions.


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