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Help, please!! I just want to cry!! (Also posted on Anxiety Board)
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UTMomofTwo posted:
My anxiety is horrible right now, and I am hoping this might be the place for some advice.

I never suffered from anxiety until I got married. It wasn't that bad until I had children. When my youngest turned 3, I realized it was not going away, so I started taking Cymbalta. I have been doing really well on it. Possibly too well because it has helped me to avoid issues I should have been dealing with.

My husband of almost 12 years is a control freak. He has to control everyone and everything around him. He also has OCD about every mess other than his own. I never noticed any of this until we had children (those cute little people who make messes). He hovers over the children making sure they do things "right" and points out when they are about to do something that he feels is the "incorrect" or "inefficient" way of doing it. He whines and yells at the kids. When they spill WATER he gets upset with them. He stares at the children during dinner to jump on them should their elbow be close to a cup that could get knocked over, if they aren't sitting in their seats properly, if they are about to spill food, etc. He often belittles the kids and I, but I really don't believe he does it consciously. I do ALL the cooking, washing of pots, pans and anything that won't fit in the dishwasher, laundry, cleaning up after the kids, getting the kids ready for anything and everything, including bed. He mows the lawn and loads/unloads the dishwasher (which I am grateful for). I have listed the negatives above, but he is also a kind man, has fun playing with the kids occassionally is a good person at heart.

We have been to counseling. He has tried anti-anxiety meds. Everyone has told him that even though he believes to his core that what he thinks and feels is RIGHT, he is actually more extreme about how he handles things. None of this has helped. He might be kinder and more patient for a day or so, but then he goes back to being super inpatient, which leads to expressions of anger and frustration. He has never been physically abusive with anyone.

Then there is my 9 year old son. He is a gifted underachiever. He tested with a 142 IQ. He hates school, hates math and struggles with all of it. He is bored and doesn't learn what he should because he isn't interested. He does well enough to maintain good grades, but I know he can do better. I think he just doesn't believe in himself and I know his self-esteem is shot. Take a very smart kid and a father who is constantly telling him how to do everything and you have a disaster. I am proud of my son for standing up for himself when his father is telling him what to do and not listening, but it isn't good when he is talks/yells back. They can't be in the same room for more than 30 minutes without fighting. My son has had trouble at school since the day he started going. He picks on the other kids. He has a HUGE impulsive streak, but that is the only aspect of ADHD that he has (meds didn't change anything). This impulsivity gets him in trouble at school on a fairly regular basis because when someone makes him mad, he lashes out.

I believe my son's problems and insecurities come from the way his father treats him. I can't keep watching as my husband gets angry and impatient with the kids. I feel like we should get a divorce. I know he feels that we are "his life" and he doesn't know what he would do without us, but nobody is happy at home!

...............More in a reply because I couldn't post it all here................
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UTMomofTwo responded:
The problem is that I love him. I love his kind side. I DON'T want to hurt him and I KNOW this would! At the same time, things can't continue this way!!

I have read that children suffer greatly from divorce. That their school work suffers, their esteem suffers, everything suffers. At the same time, their self-esteem is already poor. Would it get worse if I got divorced??? Are they better off staying in the present situation?

I can't find any resources on the web that list the pros and/or cons of these two options......

I know only I can make the ultimate decision, but wanted advice about how this could/would effect the kids. They are my ultimate concern!!!!

TIA!!!!!
 
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FCL replied to UTMomofTwo's response:
Children do not necessarily suffer from divorce. In many cases they actually benefit from it - especially when they are utterly miserable. Answer me this - do you think your children are growing up in a healthy atmosphere? Do you think that being yelled at all of the time is good for them? Are they happy in their lives? Are they happy at home? Do you think that they deserve to live in this atmosphere? Do you think that living without their father would make their lives easier?

Sit down and draw up a list - on one side of a sheet of paper write all of the reasons for staying in your marriage. Now, on the other side, write all of the reasons for leaving. Then think long and hard about your decision.
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DfromSpencer replied to UTMomofTwo's response:
I was going to go into detail about pro's and con's here, but FCL beat me to it. I didn't like getting a divorce either, my parents divorced when i was 9. Their divorce at the time, alleaviated most of the household tensions. We kids grew up just fine with the one parent house. My children excelled after our divorce.

You are a mother, think of what is best for your children. Dont worry about hurting this "nice" man, this "kind" man. What he does to your children, is called bullying. Can this continue? Look at what it is doing to your 9 year old, he is the same as his father.

Use that pro/con list, then do the right thing for you and your children. I think you know what you must do already?

Good luck, and best wishes! Dennis
 
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happimomi replied to DfromSpencer's response:
am SOO like you UT MOM..I am going through the exact same things 100%, and i am depressed for the very first time in my whole life. Just this morning i was crying to my sister over the "what if's".... I agree with the other posters, children are more resiliant than you give them credit for. If you do decide on a divorce and you remain loving, positive, up beat and just explain to your son, that you love daddy, but you and he can no longer live together. H ewill still see daddy when ever he wants to, etc.. Explain to him that daddy's behavior is not normal, and it doesnt make me happy, and that if you keep a happy attitude about it, your son will be happy too. My parents were married 55 years, but miserable, over bearing father, verbally abusive father, controlling too, and all my life, and my siblings life we wondered why my mother put up with that. We all wished our whole childhood that they had divorced!! My mother wishes she had, but different era, no education, religeon, etc permitted her to leave- or so she thought. I am also scared too death, what if i make an unchangable mistake?? Ive been with him so long, he's all i know, but i am not in love with him anymore.. i too, have no idea of what to do, BUT this is the first time i have been miserable just living: and i know i will not go on like this,, moma not being happy, makes no-one happy!
 
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UTMomofTwo replied to UTMomofTwo's response:
Thank you all for your replies!! I don't think the children are growing up in a healthy atmosphere for the most part. Many times things are great, but overall they aren't. I think the instability of knowing when things will be okay and when they won't, can also cause anxiety and stress in the kids (I know it does in me). The kids are often happy at home and are happy people for the most part because I spend so much time and effort with/on them, reading with them, singing to them, playing with them and making them feel they are special. 80% of their interaction with their dad is at the dinner table or right after dinner. Even though it is a short amount of time, it is very impactful on them. I know children have methods of coping, but they shouldn't have to.

I talked to my husband last night. I told him that I have prayed about what to do with our marriage. I told him I have spoken with our ecclesiastical leader. While I didn't particularly feel we need to get divorced immediately, I DO feel that things CANNOT go on the way they have been. We had a good talk and he is going to meet with our bishop to work on his impulsive/negative behaviors. He is very willing to try. He needs to figure out how to get off auto-pilot when he is frustrated. He DOES know that if this doesn't work and things continue as they have been, then divorce is the next step because the kids (and I) can't continue to live like this!!!!! I will give things a month. If they get better, I will give it another month. I don't want to walk on eggshells for TOO long wondering when one might crack, but if he can make the change this time, then that would be best for everyone. If he can't, then at least I KNOW I have tried everything and given him as many chances as I can.

Last night after our talk, my mom brought the kids home. We had a nice dinner with my husband being very patient and not overreacting about the little things. After that we went into the backyard and he played catch with our son and a football for almost an hour. He then played with our daughter while I played with our son. It was a good night! We haven't had one like that in a LONG time!!

happimomi ~ I am SO sorry you are going through the same thing!!!!! If you want to "talk" about it ever, you can e-mail me at dawn@dwhp.com any time.

Thanks again everyone!! I will keep you posted in the next week or so!!
 
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Leslie Becker-Phelps, PhD replied to UTMomofTwo's response:
I know you said that "we" have been to counseling, but I'm wondering if he has gone on his own. As long as he is motivated to change, therapy can be very helpful; and he will most likely need help continuing on a good path. Good luck!!


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