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You say that she agrees with you when you say you want more sex but "doesn't follw through". What exactly do you mean? Do you mean that she turns you down? Do you mean that she doesn't instigate? If she's not turning you down when you instigate then what is stopping you instigating more often? If she is turning you down then what are the reasons she gives?
Getting angry and "confronting" will get you nowhere. You need to learn to talk calmly about sexual matters outside of the bedroom and be willing to listen as much as you expect her to listen to you.
You may also want to try evaluating your relationship outside the bedroom, if you lack intimacy there that will definitely contribute to lack of intimacy in the bedroom. You say you go out of town, is this something that happens often? That could be a contributing factor in any problems you may have. Work on your relationship in other areas and you might find the bed room area improves on its own.
Donna
To Poppy999: I don't think she is fooling around, although she has made some subtle remarks about a "man" who she buys farm supplies from making suggestive advances towards her. He is a much older man and has made remarks to her about being unfaithful to his wife and that he was wild at one time etc. She's also told me that he stares at her breast. Another time when we were watching a Seinfeld episode where Elaine loses a button on her blouse which leaves her rather exposed, she told me that had happened to her while at this same place of business and that the guy was looking. Don't know if these are red flags or not, but it would be a shock. I still don't think she is cheating, but she might be excited that the guy is checking her out.
Seduce her. Make that extra effort - after all, you stand to gain from it. I don't see why you can't suggest counselling to try and find a way round this (and after all, in ocunselling you're going to be more likely to find out what you need to do than from a bunch of strangers
even nice strangers like us). She's already conceded the point about more sex, she might just go along with counselling to find the way to go about it. In any case, you can't continue the way you are doing because you're going to implode.First, the notion that you've only confirmed her libido right after her period doesn't hold water: She's masturbating twice as much in the week you're gone, as you're getting in a whole month when you're there. Second, she's lying about masturbating.
If this issue is important to you...and it seems to be, then I advise you to let her know that its important to you, and that you'd like to take the issue to counseling. I wouldn't be in a rush to confess your spying, or to confront her masturbation. I agree with you that in this case the masturbation appears to be coming between you, but between your spying and her lying I would leave it alone.
The right direction is to focus on the lack of intimacy between the two of you. That is the key. If she agrees to work the issue, and not merely grin-f*** you when you bring it up, then you have a chance.
If on the other hand she turns down your efforts to repair things, then you have your answer and you can accept it or move on. That is how it will be.
That said, I cannot speculate as to why your wife does what she does, some here have mentioned that she is probably seeing some one else, I cannot say that because I have no way of knowing, but you must find a way to find the truth. Now, you cannot fall in the trap of blaming yourself for what your wife does, we are all individuals and we make our decisions and she has made her own decisions for a reason, but not necessarily because of you. If she has problems with whatever you do or don't do she should have come to you and talk to you about those problems, she is an adult and should make adult decisions.
1 Her husband is getting less than he'd like 2 She does masturbate 3 She lies about it
And of course he's spying while she's lying, which is not a good situation.
That is why I've suggested he focus on the primary issue, which is the disconnect between the two of them where intimacy is concerned. He needs to work with her to put a specific and concrete plan in place to address the issue. It could be counseling, or it could be sex on a schedule, but whatever it is, it should be calculated to address both of their issues and to make sure they both know what those issues are.
If that doesn't happen, this is only likely to resolve through resignation or divorce.
My hubby was doing the same thing to me so I know how it feels from my point of view. He would opt to masturbate instead of making love with me. He chose porn and toys over the real thing. Maybe it was for that "quick fix" that your wife may be going for. I did everything I could do to try and talk to him about this, we went to counseling and I even moved out of our bedroom for a brief period of time to show him how serious this issue was.
What you did with the videotape was wrong and I know you realize that. It was an invasion of privacy. But, desperate people do desperate things and you were desperate for answers since you felt your wife was lying to you, which, in the end she was. You have your answers now and I personally think you should destroy that tape, keep your findings to yourself and never speak of it. You have your answers to satisfy your questions and if you bring it up to your wife it will only cause resentment on her part to add to the resentment on your part. It will not be a healthy thing for your relationship. Trust me on this. You both need to make time for not only going on a "date" w/o the kids once a week, but going to counseling because there might be some underlying issues that neither you or she realize.
I don't think she is cheating on you, if she were she wouldn't be masturbating so much in the first place and with all she has to do with the house and kids, who has time? As for the other guy you mentioned, I see that as a red flag. She is either trying to tell you that she likes that kind of attention and wants you to pick up on the fact that she needs more of that from you or she is just a very honest person and (like myself) just feels the need to tell her partner all that has happened during her day so that she is not keeping anything behind your back. Although that does kill the masturbation theory that we are discussing in the first place.
Please keep doing everything you can to get to the bottom of this. The resentment will build to a point where you won't even realize how it is damaging your relationship. That's one of the main reasons I'm getting divorced after 17 years of marriage.
Good luck!
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