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    Pritikin and nuts
    dtms1 posted:
    If you go on Pritikin's web site you will see that he recommends an ounce of nuts. Well, Pritikin's son Robert took over after his father's death. What Nathan Pritikin would say now I do not know.

    jc3737 responded:
    An oz is so little...isn't that less than 1/4 cup...almost nothing?

    Certainly not a source of calories.......just nutrients,and essentail fatty acids.
    dtms1 replied to jc3737's response:
    isn't an ounce what everyone recommends if there is a weight problem?

    EngineerGuy responded:
    Hi Dolores,

    Thanks for the info. Pritikin has actually improved their recommendations !! :-)

    Robert Pritikin has dropped from public view, several years ago. My wife and I met him years ago, while attending the Pritikin Center in Santa Monica. (The original was in Santa Barbara. I actually saw Nathan give a short presentation on a Tuesday evening, at the Pritikin Center there, when I happened to be nearby.)

    An ounce of nuts is about 200 calories. Seeds about 175 calories.

    Even Dr. Esselstyn said 1 oz nuts or seeds is great. He cautioned against 4 oz. Oh, but wait. I ate 3-4 oz daily when my IMT reversed. :-)

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    jc3737 replied to dtms1's response:
    I do have a weight problem.I was not at all fat in 2002 when I weighed in at 222....and now at 150 I'm way too skinny

    I need to keep wt on but once I gave up sugar,junk,and processed foods it has become difficult.

    3 oz sounds more reasonable.
    An_192696 replied to jc3737's response:
    Hi jc,

    Re: 3 oz sounds more reasonable.

    I came to the same conclusion. :-)

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    dtms1 replied to An_192696's response:
    three ounces would be half the calories I like to eat per day. I am also wondering about nuts and diabetics. Which is why I am still on the fence. Fat in the diet causes insulin resistance. I have seen a vial of blood drawn after someone has eaten a high fat meal (and presumably is on a very fatty diet.) You can see a lump of fat at the top of the tube. I guess this is saturated fat. But it wonders me why an inch or so of poly fat at the top of the tube would not also impede the passage of blood cells through the capillaries. If nuts and seeds are so good for someone then maybe somehow the fat from these for some reason does not end up in the blood like from fatty meat or oils. Anyone know anything about this?

    jc3737 replied to dtms1's response:
    I'm not saying you are wrong since you have been throught a long battle with diabetes and have far more experience than I plant fat the same as meat fat,omega 3, or dairy fat?Whay has been the effects of various types of fat on your a1c or FBG?

    The real probem with nuts and seeds is the possibility of toxic mold,candida,etc(see my latest post on the diet debate board on nuts)
    geoffreylevens replied to jc3737's response: One hour postprandial blood sugar (or I think highest peak) likely best indicator of IR as well as whatever else. I have not noticed any difference in mine from zero nuts/seed to 3 oz per day, which is a range of about 7%-35% of total calories from whole plant foods.
    jc3737 replied to geoffreylevens's response:
    Thanks for that info.FBG may not be the best indicator but what about A1C which gives an overall average for a three month period of time.Seems that measurement would average out all the highs and lows and come up with the most meaningful measurement of all the indicators.
    dtms1 replied to jc3737's response:
    I will repeat what I found with other fats. I have not tested after eating nuts and seeds with a meal. At any rate, when I do eat nuts or seeds I try to eat them with a salad or vegetables and usually not with potatoes or bread or rice.

    It looks like one's blood sugar does not rise very high at the one hour mark when you eat fats. However, I have found that it postpones the rise in blood sugar to 3 or 4 hours so that when you are ready for your next meal and you expect your sugars to be low, they are actually higher. I do not know if the rest of you diabetics have found this to be so for yourselves.

    EngineerGuy replied to dtms1's response:
    Hi GeoffreyLevens, Dolores, jc,

    Pretty fascinating exchange here.


    Very interesting that changing from 0 to 3 oz nuts/seeds, the fasting blood glucose was unaffected.


    Re: I have not tested after eating nuts and seeds with a meal.

    Fuhrman, Esselstyn, Pritikin and the others all agree that the other fats, namely animal fat, vegetable oils, dairy fats, are not healthful. Fuhrman believes nuts/seeds are healthful, but because of the nutrition that comes with the fats, all in a total plant package.

    I put about 3 oz nuts/seeds in my morning smoothie. One day I was out of nuts/seeds, so I put in 1/2 tablespoon olive oil instead. Note 1 oz = 2 tablespoons, so the 1/2 tablespoon of olive oil had much fewer fat calories than the nuts/seeds. Because of how the olive oil affected the green smoothie, I had loose stools all afternoon. This isn't very scientific, but it is clear that nuts/seeds are quite different than oil.

    When I started Fuhrman, I decided I would try to adopt the program fully, precisely and strictly, before trying to modify it. So far, I've found nothing to modify.

    Give the nuts a shot. :-)

    Best regards, EngineerGuy
    geoffreylevens replied to EngineerGuy's response:
    The link I posted above indicates the A1c and 2 hour postprandial both together or either one alone is not as good an indicator of future progression to diabetes as the 1 hour sugar by itself!
    dtms1 replied to geoffreylevens's response:
    Well, this is a hard one to make sense of. I personally never worry about the one hour glucose reading. It will of course be higher after eating oatmeal than after eating brussels sprouts. As long as my blood sugar at three or four hours which would be before my next meal is low then I figure I am fine. And naturally it depends on portion size and what else you are eating with a higher carb food. I also am often in the habit of eating something high carb before I plan to exercise so when I get home from my walk or the gym my blood sugar is just fine, even with more carbs than usual.

    Of course as anyone with t2 knows. You can eat exactly the same thing on day two as on day one and yet get two different readings.

    dtms1 replied to EngineerGuy's response:
    EG, re the total plant package--I wonder if that is the reason that the smoked salmon didn't decrease blood flow as referred to by Jeff Novick. Maybe because the fat came with the salmon. Unless smoked salmon loses its fat in the smoking process. On the other hand, eating a fatty sirloin doesn't seem to have a positive effect on the blood vessels even though the fat in it is part of the complete package.


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