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    High cost of ED meds
    chopperbobby posted:
    The high costs of ED medicine is terrible.
    Walmart sells Lavitra for $20.00 a pill. I understand that Viagra is even more.
    My doctor gave me some samples of Lavitra, and they work. Walmart used to sell them for $10.00 per pill, but now $20.00.
    It looks like sex has become very expensive. And more infrequent.
    dfromspencer responded:
    Yep, you got that right!!! Levitra from Hy-Vee is $27 per pill. Its so expensive because they won't allow them to sell the generic equivalence, which is Vardenifil. I get four tabs from the V.A. per month, due to its still high cost, even Vardenifil is too expensive for the V.A. to pay for more.

    Yep, due to the high cost of meds., sex is a four time a month deal. Not so very funny, is it? There is no way I could ever hope to buy more, being on a fixed income.

    President G.W.Bush opened the door to big pharma, and it has never looked back. This kind of thing needs to be fixed, and fixed fast! There is no one good reason for medicine to cost so much, NONE!!! Our government has sold us out! They could fix it easy enough, just allow the pharmacy's to sell the generic equivalent. But the lobbyists wont let them! So, we get to suffer.

    georgiagail replied to dfromspencer's response:
    While the patent for Viagra expired in 2012, Pfizer Pharmaceuticals owns the active ingredient sildenafil for at least another 7 years.

    Levitra (not Lavitra) is still under patent and will not expire until 2018; until then, generic versions of this medication will not be available.

    In the US, a patent filed on a medication lasts 20 years; however, on the average it takes a Pharmaceutical company 12 to 13 years of testing to actually get FDA approval for a drug. Thus, they must try to recoup all they have expended in research plus go for a hoped for profit in the remaining 7 to 8 years they have left on their patent.

    Much as I loathe GW, he had nothing to do with this; it has everything to do with how long a pharmaceutical company can hold a patent on ANY medication it develops, not just ED meds.

    Once the patent expires, the cost of prescription medications typically decreases with competition from other pharmacies now able to develop their own versions.

    Mamihlapinatapai replied to georgiagail's response:
    I think we can conclude from this that patents are ridiculous and should be abolished.
    The most elementary and valuable statement in science--the beginning of wisdom--is 'I do not know.'
    georgiagail replied to Mamihlapinatapai's response:
    Why? So Pharmaceutical companies would then have no incentive to research new medications? They're not doing it out of the "goodness" of their heart. Like all companies, they need to make a profit to stay in business.

    Say you spend month and months in your dark basement developing a widget that you hope will revolutionize the world (and help to fill your pockets with a bit of cash) and you'd like to patent the item. But you can't because someone decided patents were "ridiculous and should be abolished". And your neighbor has been checking you out in your basement window and quickly develops the same widget and makes a bundle on it. Fair? Hardly.

    You need to think twice about the safety of patents before you put your foot in your mouth regarding how "ridiculous" they are.

    chopperbobby responded:
    Thanks to all of you who responded.
    It looks like we all are going to have to try and live with the high cost of sex.
    Mamihlapinatapai replied to georgiagail's response:
    Okay, pharma patents aside, it's well-known that out of the thousands and thousands of patents granted each year, only a small fraction of those are actually commercially viable. And, out of that fraction, only a small fraction actually go on to make a profit. So the question becomes: Why? Because people in general believe that patents are important, and without them someone will "steal" their idea. News flash: all a patent does is give you the right to sue someone, provided 1) you actually have an idea worth stealing, and 2) you actually find out about it. Patents are throw-away documents that are a huge waste of time and money, especially for the inventor. They are science and technology viewed through a legal lens. Now we live a world of patent trolls and gigantic companies arguing over rectangles with rounded corners (read: Apple). Are patents important? No, absolutely not.

    You're point about pharma patents is valid, though.

    The most elementary and valuable statement in science--the beginning of wisdom--is 'I do not know.'
    dfromspencer replied to chopperbobby's response:
    I agree with you, ChopperBobby!!! We are indeed paying a very high price for sex these days!!!
    georgiagail replied to dfromspencer's response:
    And interesting article on the cost of bringing a new drug to market:

    Buschner replied to georgiagail's response:
    Two things. 1. Many pharmaceutical firms sell their products overseas for far less than they do here in order to make a profit. 2. Medicare prescription plans don't pay for ED medications despite the fact that they serve population most requiring them
    gottahaveinfo responded:
    I have a system where I can get my Cialis for daily use free. I make an appointment to see my primary care physician about some random issue I may have. Copay is 20 bucks. While I am there I ask her if she has any free samples from the manufacturer's sales people (they come once a month and always leave free samples) she says let me see and then comes back with 2 months worth of samples in a brown paper bag for me to take home. 2 months of Cialis for a 20 dollar copay! Try it with your PCP, it may work for you too !
    kjljr1 replied to georgiagail's response:
    How does anybody profit when they price there product so ridiculously high that the average person can't buy it. The wealth is in the hands of less than five per cent of Americans. I don't believe the FDA spends near that amount of time testing anything. They've had the FDA in their back pocket for a long time. It is a US Government agency. The same Government that dropped all the regs for their banker and insurance company cronies. Not to mention the greed of the pharmacy's.
    21finish responded:
    Paying $20-plus for a pill to have sex? Nah, not going to happen. Do I wish I could get some of this wonder-medicine? You bet I do - the days of having satisfactory erections enough to have sex are gone and any attempt to force it to happen always ends in failure, frustration, and anger. But pay that much money for the pills. Nope.
    foozie responded:
    You can get a lower price from India, both Viagra and Cialis,copies
    fwk65 replied to georgiagail's response:
    There is NO generic form of any of the ED pills yet. Some pirated and potentially dangerous pills are available from foreign suppliers (India etc) who may claim to be US but when you get your package it will have an import sticker on it.Thanks for clarification. I didn't think GW had any thing to do with it. Its just BIG business. But believe me pharmaceutical companies have and will recoup their money. None of them are broke. Especially when it comes to ED meds.
    Since when should RX companies regulate your sex frequency? None of them that I know of will pay for more than 6 tabs.

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